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- February 28, 2021 at 10:33 am #612090
Hi,
No, the full amount of the investment income and finance cost is eliminated, in exactly the same way the intra-group sales are.
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May 28, 2021 at 6:08 pm #622078Hi,
I have the same question as in the original topic here in BPP kit, BUT the answer is that there is going to be no effect on group RE.
Do I understand correctly, that there should be an effect on group RE in a sense of S’s RE attributable to the parent (60% parent, 40% NCI)?
And then only in a situation where parent owns 100% of S there will be no effect, is that right?
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May 29, 2021 at 7:41 am #622102Hi,
The original query at the start was very lengthy, so which bit of it are you trying to understand?
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May 29, 2021 at 2:01 pm #622183Hi,
The quetion on the kit is:
”On 1 July 20×7, Spider acquired 60% of the equity shares capital of FLY and on that date made a $10Mn loan to FLY at a rate of 8% per annum.
What will be the effect on group retained earnings at the year end date of 31 December 20×7 when this intra group transaction is cancelled.
A) RE will increase by $400K
B) RE will be reduced by $240K
C) RE will be reduced by $160K
D) There will be no effect on group retained earnings.From the above it would follow that the answer is C, i.e. interest expense in S and interest income in P will be eliminated on consolidation, but it will effectively change the RE of each of the companies and hence P’s share of S’s RE will also change and from above (as explained) that would give decrease of $160K:
Let’s say that, before cancellation, S had retained earnings of $3,000 and F had retained earnings of $1,600
Without cancellation, the consolidation would be $3,000 + 60% x $1,600 = $3,960
Following cancellation S now has $2,600 and F has $2,000
The consolidation now will be $2,600 + 60% x $2,000 = $3,800
And that is a decrease of $160But my book answer bank suggests answer D – no effect on group RE.
What I am trying to understand is first which is right obviously and if we argue it’s decrease of $160K, I guess I am missing context in terms of which steps are taken to arrive at it. Meaning, the cost/income on loan is cancelled on consolidation, so everything else being equal there will be no change to profit and hence RE. So is it then correct to say, that what has an effect is one line adjustments to reflect share of P and NCI after bottom line and with the same being reflected in equity in SFP?
I am sorry if it is obvious, just trying to get the logic right all the way through.
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May 31, 2021 at 7:36 pm #622495Hi,
It isn’t obvious and is trick to work out but the answer is correct. The key is to remember that you are looking at the impact on the group retained earnings which is in the group SFP. I think you are confusing it with what is done in the group SPL, where you are correct in that the interest income and expense are both cancelled, resulting in there being no impact on the overall group profit.
However, when we are looking at the group SFP then there is no elimination of anything as this has been done in the group SPL that feeds in to the group retained earnings figure on the group SFP. This might make you think that there is no impact on the group retained earnings figure but there will be as the individual books of the two companies are adjusted prior to consolidation and the impact is as you highlight above.
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June 5, 2021 at 2:54 pm #623289AnonymousInactive- Topics: 3
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so we dont have to add back the finance cost to the subsidiarys profit when allocating profits share to nci and the group?June 6, 2021 at 6:53 pm #623521Hi,
No, the adjustment to the SPL for intra-group interest does not impact the profit as we eliminate both the expense and the income. As there is no profit impact to the group then we do not need to make any adjustment to S’s profits when calculating the NCI share of group profits.
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