IFRS16 Lease-deposit and non-refundable deposit

Hi, The deposit is a payment that will be included in the value of the right of use asset. Then on payment of the deposit we will DR Liability CR Bank. If you point me I the direction of the specific questions then I can look at them properly and identify the specifics in the questions that may be confusing you. Thanks

Hi Sir, Good day. Thank you for your valuable sharing. I hereby include two questions whereby first question non-refundable deposit is added to lease liability and the other not included for your persual. 1) On 1 Jan 2016 Fellini Co hired a machine under a five year lease. A non-refundable deposit if $700,000 was payable on 1 Jan 20x6. The present value of the future lease payment was $2,426,000. The remaining 4 installments of $700,000 are payable annually in advance with the first payment made on 1 Jan 20x6. The interest rate implicit in the lease is 6%. What amount will appear under non-current liabilities in respect of this lease in the statement of financial position of Fellini Co at 31 Dec 20x6? Answer is 1872000 which is arrived at with non-refundable deposit included in the calculation. 2) On 1April 20x7, Fino Co increased the operating capacity of its plant. On the recommendation of the finance director, Fino Co entered into an agreement to lease the plant from the manufacturer. The present value of the future payments is $350,000. The lease requires three annual payments in advance of $100,000 each, commencing on 1April 20x8. The rate of interest implicit in the lease is 10%. The lease does not transfer ownership of the plant to Fino Co by the end of the lease term and there is no purchase option available. A non-refundable deposit of $100,000 is payable on 1 April 20x7. What is the amount that should be shown under non-current liabilities at 31 March 20x9 in respect of this plant? Answer is 247380 where the deposit is not included in the calculation. Please advice which is correct in the treatment of non-refundable deposit. Thank you very much. Warmest Regards, Eric Lam

Hi, 1) I can get the answer of 1,872,000 (rounding) but this has not been done using the present value of the lease payments given in the question. I have also had to assume that there are five remaining lease payments as it doesn't appear to make sense in that there would only be four payments for a five year lease. 2) The present value of the lease payments looks correct, where we have included the amount of the deposit and the three future lease payments, but I cannot work out the answer for the NCL at 31 March X9. The answer seems a bit high given that we are at the end of the second year of the lease. If you have the answers then I can see where we're going wrong. Thanks

Hi Sir, Thank you for your reply. 1) Now I understand that the 700,000 added to the PV is the first advance lease payment out of the five payments and not the deposit originally thought. Deposit is added to Right-of-use assets only. Am I right? 2) This is part of Scenario question which related to Fino Co incurred initial direct cost of $20,000 and received lease incentives from the manufacturer totalling $7,000. After four years it will have to dismantle the plant at an estimated (discounted) cost of $15,000. What is the measurement of the right-of-use as at 1 April 2017? Answer is $478000=350000+20000+15000+100000-7000. As mentioned in your last reply that 350000 is correct if the deposit is included But PV should be 248700 (100,000*2.487) if the deposit is not included as stated in 1) calculation above. Why the deposit is included in this case. Please clarify and explain the confusion here. Thanks. Warmest Regards, Eric LAM

Hi, Yes, the deposit is added to the right of use asset, in the same way it has been in the second of your questions. Once the right of use asset value has been calculated in the question then this is the same as the lease liability and we can work out the non-current liability using the lease payable table. Thanks

Hi Sir, Good day. Thank you for your reply. However, the model answer given is excluding the deposit as follows Right of use asset calculation 478000 Less non-refundable deposit on 1.4.x7 100000 Lease liability 378000 Interest accrued 1.4.x7-31.3.x8(378000x10%) 37800 Lease liability as at 31.3.x8 415800 Payment made 1.4x8 (100000) Interest accrued 1.4.x8-31.3.x9 (315800x10%) 31580 Lease liability as at 31.3.x9 347380 Current liabilities as at 31.3.x9 100000 Non-current liabilities as at 31.3.x9 247380 Please advice and thank you. Warmest Regards, Eric Lam

Hi Sir, Good morning. Please kindly reply to my last question. Thank you very much. Warmest Regards, Eric Lam

Hi, The deposit is included in both the value of the initial liability and the right-of-use asset, and from what I can see the 100,000 is part of the 478,000, as shown in your calculation. The 478,000 is then immediately reduced by the deposit payment. Thanks

Hi Sir, Good day. Thank you for the clear explanation. Deposit, whether refundable or not, is included in right of use asset but excluded from the initial lease liability . Am I correct with that understanding? Thank you very much Sir and God blessed you. Warmest Regards, Eric Lam

Hi, It is included in both the right-of-use asset and lease liability, but as the payment is made immediately at the start of the lease it then reduces the lease liability immediately. Thanks

Hi, You account for it as a normal lease er IFRS 16, recognising a right-to-use asset and a corresponding liability at inception of the lease. So you would discount the lease rentals to present value to get the values. Thanks

hello sir,a very big confusion here,,,,, one question subtracts innitial deposits from the lease liability while another similar question ignores the innitial deposits.... I have two questions to show 1).On 1 October 20X4, Flash Co acquired an item of plant under a five-year lease agreement. The present value of the total lease payments was $25m. The agreement had an implicit finance cost of 10% per annum and required an immediate deposit of $2m and annual rentals of $6m paid on the 30 September each year for five years. Calculate the current liability of the lease in Flash Co's statement of financial position as at 30 September 20X5. 2)7 On 1 October 20X3, Fresco Co acquired an item of plant under a five-year lease agreement. The lease required an immediate deposit of $2 million with five payments of $6 million paid annually in arrears commencing on 30 September 20X4. The present value of the future lease payments was $22,746,000. The agreement had an implicit finance cost of 10% per annum. What will be the current liability in Fresco Co's statement of financial position as at The first question had the lease liability subtracted by the deposit. The second question had ignored the deposit amount and never subtracted the lease liability by the deposit. please clear this confusion of mine,thanks

Hi, The confusion is in the narrative used in the question. In Q1 it says "present value of TOTAL lease" payments" so the deposit will be included within this and therefore the lease liability. The payment of the deposit will therefore need to be deducted. In Q2 it says "present value of the FUTURE lease payments" so the deposit will not be included within this (the payment is not made in the future as it is paid today at the start of the lease) and therefore not included in the lease liability. The payment of the deposit will not therefore need to be deducted. Thanks

Thank you so much Sir,,U have no idea how helpful your response was. Stay blessed always. Last question please. should the ROU Asset incorporate the deposit payments? in question 1 and 2? because i remember ROU should have initial payments added to it.

Hi, Glad it helped. Yes, the ROU would include the initial payments. Thanks!