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*** F9 December 2011 Exam was: Post your comments and vote in Instant Poll ***

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  • December 9, 2011 at 4:25 pm #91585
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    Can’t exactly remember q 1. Will try to write it down.
    The cost of debt rate was given for you at 7% but that was before tax. So you had to calculate what the MV of the bond was first. Once you calculated that then you use 5.6 in the IRR calculation

    December 9, 2011 at 4:34 pm #91586
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    05008967

    refer to the Dec 2010 ecamination question 1 is similar problem you will see its in the question that it will need additional inital investment in working capital of 250000 and that was not including in the cashlow but was added to the year 0 and not released in year4 as per exam answer on dec 2010

    similar was today

    December 9, 2011 at 4:48 pm #91587
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    @sikander1985 said:
    05008967

    refer to the Dec 2010 ecamination question 1 is similar problem you will see its in the question that it will need additional inital investment in working capital of 250000 and that was not including in the cashlow but was added to the year 0 and not released in year4 as per exam answer on dec 2010

    similar was today

    Todays question asked us to ignore inflation and capital allowances. There was nothing said about ignoring the reclaim of working capital at the end of the project.

    Q1 in 2010 specifically said ‘ignoring any scrap
    value or working capital recovery,’

    December 9, 2011 at 4:51 pm #91588
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    Q1 After discounting at 11%
    Year 0 (890,000)
    Year 1 306,306
    Year 2 193,166
    Year 3 174,023
    Year 4 156,788
    Year 5 218,390
    Year 6 (54,533)
    NPV = $104,130

    December 9, 2011 at 4:54 pm #91589
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    nogooboy

    thank u very much

    December 9, 2011 at 5:22 pm #91590
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    Round-up of the paper as far as I can remember:


    Q1 – Investment Appraisal:

    a) NPV of investing in the machine (7marks)
    b) IRR (4marks)
    c) Defining Sensitivity Analysis (1mark)
    d) Calculation of sensitivity analysis to SP and DF. (6)


    Q2 – WC Mgt

    a) Cash operating cycle and it’s relationship with working cap policy etc (7)
    b) Calc cash operating cycle (4)
    c) Calculation of factoring with-recourse &non-recourse (7)
    d) Why factor? (7)

    Q3 – Biz Valuation
    a) THeory – rights issue & P/E ratio (7)
    b) Theory – rights issue & gearing (7)
    c) TERP (3)
    d) Calculation of WACC (8)

    Q4 – WACC
    a) Valuing the biz using; NA, DGM, Earnings Yield (5)
    b) Weakness of DGM (5)
    c) Don’t remember o_O (4)
    d) Objectives of NFP orgs etc (11)

    Overall, I believe it was a fair paper. I’m sure we will see very high marks for it. Although, I must say the paper was not without it’s tricks. Careful reading of the question’s requirements was paramount as always.
    I’ve also noticed not many people are complaining about time being a problem, which is good.

    Best wishes, everyone! The paper is done – no use worrying about it anymore. Just pray for the best and keep positive! Those of you who are done with exams, relax and enjoy! Those of us who have papers, back to reading. We’re almost done…I can’t wait 😀

    December 9, 2011 at 5:25 pm #91591
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    Oh yeah, capital rationing theory was also tested under Q1 for 7 marks ^-^

    December 9, 2011 at 5:30 pm #91592
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    @freshmint said:
    Round-up of the paper as far as I can remember:
    Q4 C was whether the shareholders were happy I think?

    Q1 – Investment Appraisal:

    a) NPV of investing in the machine (7marks)
    b) IRR (4marks)
    c) Defining Sensitivity Analysis (1mark)
    d) Calculation of sensitivity analysis to SP and DF. (6)


    Q2 – WC Mgt

    a) Cash operating cycle and it’s relationship with working cap policy etc (7)
    b) Calc cash operating cycle (4)
    c) Calculation of factoring with-recourse &non-recourse (7)
    d) Why factor? (7)

    Q3 – Biz Valuation
    a) THeory – rights issue & P/E ratio (7)
    b) Theory – rights issue & gearing (7)
    c) TERP (3)
    d) Calculation of WACC (8)

    Q4 – WACC
    a) Valuing the biz using; NA, DGM, Earnings Yield (5)
    b) Weakness of DGM (5)
    c) Don’t remember o_O (4)
    d) Objectives of NFP orgs etc (11)

    Overall, I believe it was a fair paper. I’m sure we will see very high marks for it. Although, I must say the paper was not without it’s tricks. Careful reading of the question’s requirements was paramount as always.
    I’ve also noticed not many people are complaining about time being a problem, which is good.

    Best wishes, everyone! The paper is done – no use worrying about it anymore. Just pray for the best and keep positive! Those of you who are done with exams, relax and enjoy! Those of us who have papers, back to reading. We’re almost done…I can’t wait 😀

    December 9, 2011 at 5:32 pm #91593
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    Q4 C Was about whether the shareholders were happy I think. Cant remember the marks for it though?

    December 9, 2011 at 5:37 pm #91594
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    For Q1 NPV I got:

    0 machine 800k + w/cap 90k= (890k)
    1 contr 500k – fixed c 160k = 340k @11% = 306,340
    2 cont 500k – fixed 160 – tax 102 = 238k = 193,256
    3 cont 500k – fixed 160 – tax 102 = 238k = 173,978
    4 cont 500k – fixed 160 – tax 102 = 238k = 156,842
    5 cont 500k – fixed 160 – tax 102 + w.cap 90k + scrap 40k = 368k = 218,224
    6 tax (102) = (54,570)

    total npv 104,070

    working cap was req’d at the “start” of the first period so i thought it made most sense to include it under time 0
    anyone agree?

    December 9, 2011 at 5:42 pm #91595
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    Then used 20% to calculate the IRR and got 16.22%

    December 9, 2011 at 5:49 pm #91596
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    @mongadobbin said:
    Then used 20% to calculate the IRR and got 16.22%
    …
    working cap was req’d at the “start” of the first period so i thought it made most sense to include it under time 0
    anyone agree?

    Yes, working cap is included at Year 0, along with the initial investment, and written back in the final year. 🙂

    December 9, 2011 at 5:58 pm #91597
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    working capital shouldnt b added in Lst yr… Nothing bs mentioned .. Npv vs 50.7 … And IRR 13.5% .. q2 factorn both beneficial but non recourse more beneficial

    December 9, 2011 at 6:14 pm #91598
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    Ok. Q1gave us 11% after tax rate (think thats right). Were we supposed to use a pre tax rate ( ie 11% x 10/7) = 16% ?? Cos if we use the after tax rate and then include the tax in the cashflow, arent we double counting the effect of tax???
    Also, i got both negative values on the factoring. Thought it looked odd and tried to see what i was missing but couldnt see it 🙁

    December 9, 2011 at 6:24 pm #91599
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    Working capital is always reclaimed in the final year as it is no longer required, regardless of whether it was mentioned

    @hunibaba said:
    working capital shouldnt b added in Lst yr… Nothing bs mentioned .. Npv vs 50.7 … And IRR 13.5% .. q2 factorn both beneficial but non recourse more beneficial

    December 9, 2011 at 6:35 pm #91600
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    started very easy with question ,calculation parts in other questions such as WACC and TERp were easymarkes but discussion marks were tough particularly 4d, 11 marks for discussion on not for profit vs lsited compnay seemed high considering its importance in the sylabus. Fingers crossed for feb though!

    December 9, 2011 at 6:39 pm #91601
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    @harripool said:
    Working capital is always reclaimed in the final year as it is no longer required, regardless of whether it was mentioned

    I didn’t remember that bit 🙁

    December 9, 2011 at 6:43 pm #91602
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    THE COST OF DEBT BEFORE TAX 7% WAS GIVEN THAN WHAT WAS THE NEED TO FIND BY IRR METHOD, CAN ANYBODY EXPLAIN ??

    ALSO IT WAS BEFORE TAX SO I DISCOUNTED AT 7(1-03) AT 5 APPROX.

    WAS I WRONG ??

    December 9, 2011 at 6:47 pm #91603
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    @kalpesh said:
    THE COST OF DEBT BEFORE TAX 7% WAS GIVEN THAN WHAT WAS THE NEED TO FIND BY IRR METHOD, CAN ANYBODY EXPLAIN ??

    ALSO IT WAS BEFORE TAX SO I DISCOUNTED AT 7(1-03) AT 5 APPROX.

    WAS I WRONG ??

    i also acquired cost of debt after tax…we have to use cost of debt after tax while calculating WACC…u r right!!!

    December 9, 2011 at 7:19 pm #91604
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    i screwed up the easiest npv calculation ever!for shame! :S i didnt add back WC and didnt do the tax in arrears..do u guys reckon theres still a mark or two in there for me?

    December 9, 2011 at 7:40 pm #91605
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    It is because it was redeemable that IRR is used. Not sure why myself, but I think that is the general rule

    December 9, 2011 at 7:43 pm #91606
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    Yes, you will have calculated pre tax cashflows, used the DF and arrived at PV and then got an NPV. There are usually marks for all that

    @munazzeel said:
    i screwed up the easiest npv calculation ever!for shame! :S i didnt add back WC and didnt do the tax in arrears..do u guys reckon theres still a mark or two in there for me?

    December 9, 2011 at 7:58 pm #91607
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    I wasn’t very sure on every of my calculations.
    who can tell me the question in the factors?

    December 9, 2011 at 8:01 pm #91608
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    ah, I use the same way, I don’t think it should be just simply using before-tax cost of debt times 70%

    I use 8 as interest in t1-t6 and DF 7% to calc the MV, and then use the MV to go into the IRR calcs.

    @harripool said:
    Yes, you will have calculated pre tax cashflows, used the DF and arrived at PV and then got an NPV. There are usually marks for all that

    December 9, 2011 at 8:27 pm #91609
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    DF @ 7 % PV DF @ 10 %
    0 mv -93.29 1 -93.29 1 -93.29
    1–6 int 5.6 4.7665 26.6924 4.3553 24.38968
    6 RV 100 0.6663 66.63 0.5645 56.45
    0.032399999999981 -12.45032

    IRR= 7.00778676442313

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