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- August 17, 2025 at 2:42 am #718788
Hi , I am a lot confused about study hub treatment of legal costs related to IAS 37.
I found two similar scenerios but just opposite answers.
The first scenerio is from Study Questions Ch 3 : question 2 ‘CANDEL’
Scenerio:-
(iii) Breach of contract
Candel Co is being sued by a customer for $2m for breach of contract over a cancelled order. Candel Co has obtained legal opinion that there is a 20% chance that Candel Co will lose the case. Accordingly, Candel Co has provided $400,000 ($2m x 20%) included in administrative expenses in respect of the claim. The unrecoverable legal costs of defending the action are estimated at $100,000. These have not been provided for as the legal action will not go to court until next year.Solution:-
Tutorial note : As the outcome of the legal action against Candel is considered unlikely to succeed (only a 20% chance) it is inappropriate to provide for any damages. The potential damages are an example of a contingent liability which should be disclosed (at $2m) as a note to the financial statements. The unrecoverable legal costs are a liability (the start of the legal action is a past event) and ‘should be provided for in full.’The second scenerio is from Study Questions Ch 15 : ‘ROVERS’ (b) .
Scenerio:-
(b) Provision/Contingent liability
An ex-director of the company has commenced an action against the company claiming substantial damages for wrongful dismissal. The company lawyers have advised that the ex-director is unlikely to succeed with his claim. The lawyers’ potential liabilities are:
– legal costs (to be incurred whether the claim is successful or not) = 50
settlement of claim if successful = 500
At present there is no provision or note relating to this claim.
(4 marks)
Solution:-
(b) Provision/Contingent liability
IAS 37 defines a provision as a liability of uncertain timing or amount and a contingent liability as either a possible obligation which will be confirmed only by the occurrence or non-occurrence of a future event or a present obligation that is not recognised because it is unlikely that there will be an outflow of future economic benefits or the amount of the obligation cannot be measured reliably.
Lawyers have advised that the claim for wrongful dismissal is unlikely to succeed and therefore there is no present obligation and so a provision cannot be recognised. This is therefore a contingent liability and there is a possible obligation. It should be disclosed unless payment is considered remote. This may be the case given that the claim is “unlikely” to succeed.
The legal costs are to be incurred whatever the outcome of the case. Those costs that have already been incurred should be recognised as an accrual as Rovers has an obligation to pay them. ‘Any future legal costs are not recognised as an expense or a liability as they are not yet incurred.’
August 17, 2025 at 7:52 am #718789So where’s the inconsistency? In both situations there is a need to provide for legal fees whether ‘we’ win or lose the case.
And in both situations there is a contingent liability to be noted to reflect the possibility that ‘we’ may lose the case.
No inconsistency, no hypocrisy!
August 18, 2025 at 1:55 pm #718825Agreed. The materials are correct.
August 20, 2025 at 12:40 am #718859Sir/ma’am, I don’t think you read carefully.
In the first scenerio, the solution is telling to create a provision but in the second scenerio the question is telling not to do anything and telling that the legal cost will be paid when it will occur i.e. in the future so right now there is no provision no contingent liabilities no anything else , full ignorance.
It’s clearly inconsistent. Both answers are different.
August 20, 2025 at 8:42 am #718861Surely the final paragraph is telling us that an accrual / provision / recognition of legal costs (already incurred) is required. But no similar accrual / provision / recognition is appropriate for those potential costs in settling the case because such costs should be noted as merely contingent.
I believe that it’s you that is misreading the information in the question.
August 20, 2025 at 4:06 pm #718867Can you clarify then about why provision for legal costs was created in the first scenerio?
August 20, 2025 at 8:39 pm #718870The Candel solution tells you!
‘The unrecoverable legal costs are a liability (the start of the legal action is a past event) and ‘should be provided for in full.’’
August 21, 2025 at 2:24 pm #718889Then why can’t we apply the same logic of past question to the other scenerio?
Can you please clearly state the difference between two scenarios which is causing two different solution.
I feel both scenerios are similar.
If you don’t feel so , please explain why and how!August 21, 2025 at 3:50 pm #718891I agree, both scenaria are similar. And, from what I can see, both solutions are identical.
Legal costs (irrecoverable) are provided for / accrued / recognised in full whereas the improbable / only possible liabilities should be merely noted as contingent.
Abhay, maybe it’s me and, if so, I apologise profusely. But I cannot see where, or how, you find an inconsistency.
Is it because you don’t realise that the expression ‘provided for’, ‘accrued’ and ‘recognised’ are pretty much synonymous?
Could that provide us with a reconciled position do you think? I’m happy to continue this thread but I’m wondering whether P2D2 might want to take over.
If so, I suggest that you repost your query on the Ask ACCA Tutor forum.
If you’re happy to continue this unauthorised thread, keep on posting and I’ll keep on answering 🙂
August 25, 2025 at 2:43 am #719536I actually enjoyed this discussion dear friend. But I got my answer from the Study hub creators themselves. I had emailed them about the issue and they responded that the answer of ‘Rover’ is correct and the ‘Candel’ needs to be amended.
So thank you friend for this experience. Really enjoyed it.
August 25, 2025 at 7:36 am #719565Hi
I too have enjoyed this interchange 🙂
You start the thread with this: ‘Hi , I am a lot confused about study hub treatment of legal costs related to IAS 37’
You have now totally confused me with your last post! HOW is Candel wrong?
I believe that it’s time to move to greater authority – to the FR Ask ACCA Tutor forum.
I suggest that you forward the entire thread to P2D2 and get his take on the issue. I personally take issue with the response that you have received from the study hub creators – but what do I know?
Ask P2D2!
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