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- March 7, 2019 at 4:44 pm #508374
I chose Subsidiary I don’t know
March 7, 2019 at 4:45 pm #508375I thought that the exam was hard, specially section B, which made me quite confused:
* Leases
* IAS Tax and IAS Contingent Liability differences in relation to the new Standard
* Embedded derivatives
* Revenue RecognitionThey were both expected, both section A was easier to answer than question B in my opinion.
March 7, 2019 at 4:54 pm #508378@johnramos said:
What did you guys write about leases??this was about the only thing i knew about
some leases are not on the balance sheet, if low value or 12 months long
therefore that can distort ratios, such as gearing and ROCEMarch 7, 2019 at 5:30 pm #508387Question a: this was Joint venture as it fulfulled the joint venture requirement.
1. the joint arrangement has separate entity- i think Kuran
2. Major decisions regarding the entity require unanimous decision of all parties
therefore should be accounted as joint venture in that ,Cyrpto should account their share of the assets and liabilities ( 45%) in Kuran.This was definitely not a subsidiary or associate
bcos in subsidiary the parent has control and makes all decisions
in associate also one entity has control and makes all decision.
also it is not joint operation as there is no separate entity in joint operationMarch 7, 2019 at 5:35 pm #508390Who else found confusing on the dates in question one regarding disposal?
there was rate closing rate on September 20×6 right?
there was no net assets or profits on september 20×6
all dates were either January 20×6 or December 210×5 exept two dates
and the question asked to calculate disposal on september 20×6how was this possible?
anyone remember the mark allocation on this particular question
I got confused and left it thereMarch 7, 2019 at 6:09 pm #508401Same here. I stopped completely. All dates r irrelevant and dubious. Totally upset with Q1
March 7, 2019 at 8:00 pm #508422Hard paper! Lots to ask…
Q1) What did people say was the functional currency? This wasn’t so straightforward to me. And goodwill balance? Feel like I definitely made some errors! The explanation of calculating the goodwill was ok just explained which rates to use.
Q2) Hudson and professional ethics. Didn’t really understand the settlement question either to be honest. I did say that a settlement in the accounts that relates to restructuring means there has been a curtailment. I said it is supposed to reduce the value of the net assets on the benefit plan and also reduce the liabilities as a payment would have been made. Also means a cash decrease. I also said the contributions to the plan are supposed to increase the assets. Remeasuremennt component I said is supposed to be the net amounts when you compare the asset/liability balances at their opening and closing and also the net costs and then the net gains. Not sure.
Also, could they claim the deferred tax asset losses?? Normally I’d say yes but I couldn’t be sure as they had kept making losses. I thought the point of claiming the tax asset was tied to the business being forecasted to make profits as well not just losses. I mentioned that the market was in decline as well and it was unlikely the profits the directors predicted would be actualised. I said if anything they could only claim losses for the last 2 years then?
Q3) Was this the sub/joint venture question? I said they were effectively a sub and I wasn’t sure either. Unanimous decision was needed but as they could choose 50% of the numbers it effectively meant they had much more of a say-so otherwise decisions wouldn’t be reached? The highest shareholder had 18% which was not even enough to be classed as an associate. So tricky.
Revenue question was okay but again like others said, confusing but I just talked about the criteria for revenue recognition like it is contract, separately identifiable and distinct, commercial substance, performance obligations etc. Leases question. I just wrote the definitions and explanations of each ratio, gearing, but didn’t have enough time to relate that to the statement about the leases.
Q4) This was mostly OK.
Contingent assets and liabilities and inconsistencies with the recognitions of assets and liabilities – I talked about the probability test and how it’s different to the reliable and probable criteria of recognition. Hope that was right. Also for the business combinations I said the individual accounts would only disclose or provide for assets/liabilities depending on the probability test but with a combination then they would have a FV and would be taxed (deferred tax).
Did the UK version and they threw in more foreign currency questions and differences between UK and INT accounting on business combinations. Felt like I was repeating myself as it was a similar topic to Q1). Also asked about differences in the UK FRS102 and IAS on how foreign business combinations are accounted for? I said something about the transaction costs being included as part of the costs of acquiring the sub and NCI is only measured proportionately under FRS102.
Really hard to tell with this exam. Long wait for the results as per.
March 7, 2019 at 8:03 pm #508423@badare said:
Who else found confusing on the dates in question one regarding disposal?
there was rate closing rate on September 20×6 right?
there was no net assets or profits on september 20×6
all dates were either January 20×6 or December 210×5 exept two dates
and the question asked to calculate disposal on september 20×6how was this possible?
anyone remember the mark allocation on this particular question
I got confused and left it thereI remember reporting date was 31 dec 20×6 but date of disposal of subsidiary was 31 sep 20×6
I assumed goodwill and assets needs to be retranslated before the disposal as sales proceeds was in dollar.
There was some impairment in year ended 20×5
If I remember correctly My goodwill was 42m Dinars and after impairment it was 36 ?
Functional currency q marks was 7 marks
Calculation of goodwill on acq and just before disposal and exch diff was 5 marks
Discuss goodwill calculation and exch diff was 5
Calculation of profit or loss on disposal 3 marks (I remember mine was profit)March 7, 2019 at 10:19 pm #508455If you left your calculator at home, it would have made no difference. A lot of discussion, confusion and waffling summed it up for me.
March 7, 2019 at 11:47 pm #508464I wrote inside the margin on the first page….am I in big trouble for this?
March 8, 2019 at 4:43 am #508473i thought under IFRS it could be a subsidiary as there was 50% board representation which could veto everything, furthermore the four were from one shareholder while the 55% was split amongst 5 shareholders. Under FRS 102 it could not be a subsidiary
Under IFRS Crypto could be seen to have controlMarch 8, 2019 at 8:38 am #508507the question 3 stated the decision is made on majority ,so the Crypto didn’t control it,but can prevent other making the decision………………….
March 8, 2019 at 10:38 am #508522There was definitely reference to Crypto having a “veto” over decisions. Although they had 50%, and the FRS says there is a need for over 50%, there are exceptions: “Control also exists when the parent owns half or less of the voting power of an entity but it has…..”
Section 9.5 of the actual FRS – reading the text I think such a veto would make control apparent. I therefore took this to mean under FRS102 that they had effective control (and thus subsiduary rules).
https://www.frc.org.uk/getattachment/e1d6b167-6cdb-4550-bde3-f94484226fbd/FRS-102-WEB-Ready-2015.pdf
What do you think? Sound logic or ramblings of a mad man!
P.S. found it hard – especially CF comparisons and FRS102 which is certainly not prominent in the BPP mock exams.March 8, 2019 at 11:05 am #508525Thoughts from attempting this exam.
I felt it was very time pressured exam having to rush two questions.
Didn’t think there was enough time to sit and think (plan) what the questions were asking with info provided in the scenario.Question 3 was a disaster for me, I would be surprised if I scored any marks on this one.
I looked through the whole paper, and was shocked to see Foreign Sub as Q1.
But saw Q4 and thought probably will be able to gain most marks here (in my opinion this was a nice question if you knew the contents)But I found it difficult to relate the scenario with questions… so wrote was whatever came into my mind.
I don’t know if I will pass, not sure if gained enough marks as answers were not as detailed due to time pressure.
Fingers crossed, have done enough to get 50.
March 8, 2019 at 11:10 am #508528Can anyone remind me which one was 30 marks and which was 20 please?
March 8, 2019 at 11:25 am #508533I put interest cover ratio would reduce due to the interest element of leases. Return on capital employed will reduce due to debt increasing and EBITDA will increase due to some elements of expenses being moved to Depreciation due to the right of use asset
March 8, 2019 at 12:17 pm #50854330 mark was the foreign entity, 20 marks was the pension one
March 8, 2019 at 12:49 pm #508545Hello all, please could one kindly assist to highlight areas tested?
ThanksMarch 8, 2019 at 12:59 pm #508546Great, thanks.
March 8, 2019 at 1:07 pm #508547Dear all, I am currently preparing for June diet and I must confess that the comment on the poll gave an insight of what to expect. Please I will appreciate if areas tested in March could be highlighted by any good fellow. Rgards.
March 8, 2019 at 1:18 pm #508549AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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I believe you will pass SBR.
March 8, 2019 at 1:23 pm #508551Q1 – Foreign exchange.
Presentation currency + Funtional Currency
Goodwill + impairment
Disposal of SubsidiaryGain/loss on exchange
Couple more questions on Foreign exchange I can’t remember there as so much there!
Q2 – Ethics
Restructuring, closing one location.
Pensions in relation to the restructuring
Deferred Tax assetQ3 – FRS102 for me as I did the Irish varient
Control/Joint arrangements
Under FRS102 would they have recognised control or not? Based on the details provided.
B) of question 3 was on leases under IFRS 16 and how would lease impact on
EBIT
ROCE
EBITDAQ4 – Revenue recognition
Self explanatory I guess
b) Conceptual framework – recognition criteria for assets and liabilities and proposed ED amendments to this.
There was more I just cannot remember. So much in such little time.
Best of luck with your exam in June. I hope I won’t be repeating this one.
March 8, 2019 at 1:26 pm #508553Areas tested:
Q1Foreign susidiary goodwill calculation. Disposal of said subsidiary after 4 year. During the year.
Q2Pension scheme ethical issue ( settlement amount recognised as remesurement)
Q3Leases and impact of IFRS16
Q4Some issues about Conceptual FrameworkIFRS15
IFRS11 Joint arrangementsThis is what I can remember
March 8, 2019 at 1:28 pm #508554AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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You mentioned the IFRS Revison Notes Pakistan Ones. Could you provide link please as one student mentioned after the exam about them.
Thanks
March 8, 2019 at 1:31 pm #508555AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Noted the decision is made on majority not consensus. So no Jo or JV here.
Cyrpto has biggset share and no others individually can challege it.
Cyrpto involves in operating through 4 or half of directors. Not an inactive investor or associate.
So there is control between Crypto and Kuran.
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