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- December 7, 2018 at 12:55 pm #488218
Looking at the question paper again I don’t think I’ve reached the 50 mark.
In the P2 papers q1 was mostly numbers. I understand ACCA wanting student to do more application of knowledge rather than just number but I think it’s unreasonable to make students do mostly written answers and making it mandatory to do 4 written questions rather than just 2 questions previously. It’s very difficult to plan and write your answers for each question in such little time.
I also prepared using the past exam questions on P2, the two specimen papers, the September paper and my ACCA approved question bank/study material. I felt well prepared that I had covered and understood a great deal of the topics but this exam has taught me that no matter what I covered it just wasn’t enough.
December 7, 2018 at 1:06 pm #488219@ritaalbu said:
What did you say in Q3 – b, recognizing the provision? and indicator of impairment?
I said do not recognize the 3m provision as there is no obligation, and decline in price is an external indicator of impairment ..I said not to recognise the provision as it is for future known expenses, and there is no legal obligation to do so. I stated that IAS37 states a provision is liability of uncertain timing and amount and should be recognised where a probable outflow of economic benefits will occur as a result of past events.
On the indicators of impairment I mentioned changes in market conditions, operating losses and changes in Fair value can all be indicators of impairment.
December 7, 2018 at 1:07 pm #488220Q1 the group cash flow was ok not too hard, wish I can score a pass mark
However I think I’m wrong about the HFS classification, where the Watson can’t be HSF as it is not available for sale at present condition because of the SBP
Q2 the only challenging bit is the ifrs 16 and ias 40, in my opinion I think it’s a finance lease as the majority of risk and reward has transferred to the lessee(40 years) so can’t an investment property ,therefore overstate the profit and asset and therefore understate the gearing to protect the loan
The revenue bit was easiest one
Q3 A in analysing the NRV of different coal , I said the things related to ifrs 13 fvm ,and talked through it , don’t think it would be good
B easy
C no control here as 52%less then 72% , and I used the control criterias to talk it through, and concluded that joint venture.
Q4 management commentary , I read the articles , and I found the same qn in Kaplan kit
Tax , i only talked the things that I known
Such as the changes in tax rate is a change in accounting estimate
Deferred tax assets criterias
Deferred tax liability criterias
If anyone agree with meDecember 7, 2018 at 1:11 pm #488221AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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@hassanwaheed87 said:
I did all the questions in BPP Revision Kit and all Mock exams. 3 of them in exam conditions.I still don’t think I will pass.
Question 4. I don’t even know what it was about. I only wrote what I knew about Deferred Tax from my revision and that was it.
I will probably have to try again in March 🙁
This time I will use Kaplan’s material.December 7, 2018 at 1:14 pm #488222@wangbaichuan said:
Q1 the group cash flow was ok not too hard, wish I can score a pass mark
However I think I’m wrong about the HFS classification, where the Watson can’t be HSF as it is not available for sale at present condition because of the SBP
Q2 the only challenging bit is the ifrs 16 and ias 40, in my opinion I think it’s a finance lease as the majority of risk and reward has transferred to the lessee(40 years) so can’t an investment property ,therefore overstate the profit and asset and therefore understate the gearing to protect the loan
The revenue bit was easiest one
Q3 A in analysing the NRV of different coal , I said the things related to ifrs 13 fvm ,and talked through it , don’t think it would be good
B easy
C no control here as 52%less then 72% , and I used the control criterias to talk it through, and concluded that joint venture.
Q4 management commentary , I read the articles , and I found the same qn in Kaplan kit
Tax , i only talked the things that I known
Such as the changes in tax rate is a change in accounting estimate
Deferred tax assets criterias
Deferred tax liability criterias
If anyone agree with meSounds like you are pretty accurate and the same as me on a lot of points. Just on the Control – I stated that as agreement was needed by 72% of the controlling interest, the other parties would not be able to take control as they would only represent 48% on acquisition of the additional 24%. I stated previously it was a joint arrangement under IFRS11 and that it now constitues control under IFRS10 – but I may be wrong, but I think so long as you list out the reasons why and show that you understand, and have studied the standards – you can grab some low hanging fruit. Best of luck!
December 7, 2018 at 1:19 pm #488223Add me in the WhatsApp
15272151773December 7, 2018 at 1:47 pm #488229It was unnecessarily difficult. The exam was deliberately tricky. The intention of the examiner was clearly not to test the knowledge but the be really mean and unfair.
Also impossible to finish it on time for 2 reasons, I had to read the questions multiple times because they were not comprehensible and the fact that we still have to write with hands in 2018 is really ridiculous. My hand was cramping after 2 hours, I couldn’t read my own writing from the last hour…
I invested so much time in this one, not worth it…December 7, 2018 at 2:18 pm #488237AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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I’ve received an email from ACCA which includes a survey where we can state our views on its fairness. If we all do this, hopefully this can help our situation.
December 7, 2018 at 2:44 pm #488244@kbourne said:
Hi guys. think we are all in the same boat here unfortunately. Very hard paper and lots of curveballs. Q4 was a killer. can anyone please advise on how the fair value of the coal would have been accounted for? I talked about fair values level 1 2 and 3 but wasn’t sure if I am honest. Could they have met the criteria of a Derivitive? HORRID paper
I said the NRV should be calculated by taking the spot rates and future rates as being level 1 and level 2 valuations and derivatives should be used in order to protect the fall in value for the future transactions.
Not sure is correct but this is how I answered.December 7, 2018 at 2:52 pm #488246Hi guys. think we are all in the same boat here unfortunately. Very hard paper and lots of curveballs. Q4 was a killer. can anyone please advise on how the fair value of the coal would have been accounted for? I talked about fair values level 1 2 and 3 but wasn’t sure if I am honest. Could they have met the criteria of a Derivitive? HORRID paper
I said the NRV should be calculated by taking the spot rates and future rates as being level 1 and level 2 valuations and derivatives should be used in order to protect the fall in value for the future transactions.
Not sure is correct but this is how I answered.Hope you are correct because I mentioned if it meets the criteria for a Derivitive then they may be able to hedge for the risk under IFRS9! Can’t believe Financial Instruments weren’t covered. Went through so much pain learning and memorising!
December 7, 2018 at 3:21 pm #488252This was my thoughts too.
However, I said since it is financial lease, the revaluation reserve would not be included in the equity and thus resulting in a higher gearing.@jamioio said:
IFRS 16 Leases states that a lease is probably a finance lease if one or more of the following apply:
1) The lease term (including any secondary periods) is for the major part of the asset’s economic life
2) At the inception of the lease, the present value of the lease payments amounts to at least substantially all of the fair value of the leased assetBoth of these were found within the scenario text.
The property could therefore be de-recognised as an asset, and re-recognised as a receivable discounted to present value.
The discounting will lower the value of non-current assets and push gearing over the allowed limit. Further, the receivable is broken into non-current and current, again affecting the gearing ratio.
I think this question is open to interpretation, perhaps the examiner will just want to see your point, and that it is well explained. I certainly appreciate the argument with regards to level 1 and 2 inputs.
Personally, I found the IFRS 13 Fair Values element to be more useful in the ethical issues part of the question.
December 7, 2018 at 5:37 pm #488282@wangbaichuan said:
Q1 the group cash flow was ok not too hard, wish I can score a pass mark
However I think I’m wrong about the HFS classification, where the Watson can’t be HSF as it is not available for sale at present condition because of the SBP
Q2 the only challenging bit is the ifrs 16 and ias 40, in my opinion I think it’s a finance lease as the majority of risk and reward has transferred to the lessee(40 years) so can’t an investment property ,therefore overstate the profit and asset and therefore understate the gearing to protect the loan
The revenue bit was easiest one
Q3 A in analysing the NRV of different coal , I said the things related to ifrs 13 fvm ,and talked through it , don’t think it would be good
B easy
C no control here as 52%less then 72% , and I used the control criterias to talk it through, and concluded that joint venture.
Q4 management commentary , I read the articles , and I found the same qn in Kaplan kit
Tax , i only talked the things that I known
Such as the changes in tax rate is a change in accounting estimate
Deferred tax assets criterias
Deferred tax liability criterias
If anyone agree with meMost of your opinion should say for mine except Watson and 3B
For Watson, I think the fact that share options have been issued point out Watson is immediately ready for sale. Moreover, if the options holder choose to exercise then it is expected to complete in the next 12 months. But not for sure though.
– About 3B, do you think the “forward contract” play any role in this scenario? At first I think it should be treated as a financial liability but cannot remember how the impairment indication for such things and choose to treat it like a regular contract as it trading commodity.
For me 3A is really confusing, I have nothing to say about Conceptual Framework. And what should we use to calculate recoverable amount? I solely mention fair value on spot market at each year end, not sure whether forward market should be any part of it.
December 7, 2018 at 5:47 pm #488285Hi all
Anyone wrote the answer in q3 a (1), conceptual framework affects valuation on inventory as re-introduce prudence concept? Not to overstate asset at the year end as value of inventory has a great deal of uncertainty about coal prices? Not sure if I can get any points for trying answer in this approach.
Also just done the ACCA student surveys with feedback as it is a very difficult paper, not within the scope of learning Criteria.
December 7, 2018 at 6:58 pm #488313AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Really it was un-expected exam… so different form Specimen paper, Sep 18 exam and Kaplan revision kit,
No Goodwill calculation, no Step acquisition or disposal
I have doubt to pass this SBRDecember 7, 2018 at 8:52 pm #488333Kindly all put your feedback on Acca student survey if you want to get across your message to Acca about this exam difficulty and the lack of knowledge in books about what was examined.
December 7, 2018 at 9:51 pm #488346Half the paper was conceptual framework exposure draft and i left that topic for revision. :(((((((((((((((
December 7, 2018 at 11:27 pm #488358I think the standard that applied in that question was IAS 40 investment property and not leases. Since the property was being kept for rentals, it can be rightly classified as an investment property.
December 7, 2018 at 11:29 pm #488359My answer was for them not to recognize a provision as there is no present obligation as a result of past event. There was no information in the question to suggest that the Company had created a constructive obligation as a result of them performing the reconditioning through past practices. Also, there was certainly no legal obligation on the Company to perform the reconditioning and the Company could change its plans on the reconditioning at any point in time.
December 8, 2018 at 12:09 am #488363It was all about framework… no consolidation, no major standards…. i am disappointed…
December 8, 2018 at 5:08 am #488380i did not attempt the SBR paper this December i have not been able to complete my revision in due time had not been able to touch some chapters in the syllabus. reading all your feedbacks making me wondering whether to sit in March and continue this level 3 or i should drop and go for a master degree.
December 8, 2018 at 12:29 pm #488453I don’t think there would of been a provision needed, there is no legal or constructive obligation as the reconditioning costs could of been avoided. Provisions are recognised if there’s uncertain timing which there’s not. I think the costs would of been capitalised and depreciated over the 2 years useful life until the next reconditioning. I’m not sure whether this would include the labour element though.
December 8, 2018 at 1:38 pm #488188It is going to be the toughest syllabus the next years,
i am expecting that it will have 25%-30% of success, like it was P5.
For sure i must read all articles in full and try to get the best out of it.
I also think that various BPP and Kaplan exam kits, need to be revamped so as to reflect the actual exams difficulty.
Disastrous exams…..December 8, 2018 at 1:38 pm #488194I am still in shock over this exam.
I thought I extremely well prepared. I attended all of the classes, studied the exam kit, completed all the mocks, reviewed the Specimen papers and this exam was nothing like what I expected.
Yes, I thought the cash flows question was fair but the rest of it was alien to me. I have passed every exam first time and this would have been my final exam.
I am really upset about this, it was as if I turned up and received the wrong paper.
I am preparing myself for resitting in March but if this is how the exams are going to be, I am not convinced I am ever going to pass.
Does anyone know if they scale the marks?
How soon is the paper uploaded to the ACCA website?I will certainly be writing a complaint. I just hope everyone else does too so they can understand that this paper really was unfair.
December 8, 2018 at 1:38 pm #488195I am still in shock about this exam.
I attended all the Kaplan classes, studied the exam kit, completed the mocks, completed the Specimen papers, and did extra research on the IASB revisions. Nevertheless, the exam yesterday was alien to me.
Yes, the statement of cash flows question was ok but the rest of it – really? I thought I had been given the wrong paper at one point.
I am absolutely gutted as I have spent so much time studying for what would have been my last exam and I know I have failed. I have never failed an exam before and never felt so helpless in an exam before.
Does anyone know if the marks are scaled?
Also, when does ACCA upload the exam paper and answers?I am certainly going to write a complaint to the ACCA as this exam was so unfair. I really hope other people complain too, just to highlight how bad it was.
December 8, 2018 at 1:38 pm #488204Worst exam I’ve ever sat. Absolutely gutted. Complaint email has been sent.
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