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- March 5, 2018 at 6:26 pm #440433
Q1 (a)
(1) Audit risk 14 marks; (2) professional skepticism 9 marks.
(b) (1) significant component (2) risk assessment 8 marksMarch 5, 2018 at 6:33 pm #440435Hi everyone how was paper . I wrote professional sceptisim regarding Revaluation done by group memeber May be subjective , analytical procesure and one other thing.please comment
March 5, 2018 at 7:01 pm #440443I voted for easy! It really was, but I run out of time. This was my first attempt and I don’t think I will pass. Also, English is not my native language so I need more time to write π
From part B I wrote for Q3 and Q5. Q5 was based on final review with 3 partsQ1 – first I thought that it’s new client too, but then I realised that probably it’s not. According to the previous exam papers, the examiner always tell us if it is a new client so I didn’t write about opening balances.
March 5, 2018 at 7:20 pm #440447AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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what is a significant component. i wrote that if that asset are more than 15% of group assets. Is it okay???
March 5, 2018 at 7:23 pm #440448My first attempt of this paper and it was so time pressured!
I done Q4 first within the 36 minutes and then Q1. I didnβt spend time to plan Q1 which is why I think my answer was messy & I panicked and over run on time. I only wrote minimal points for 1a and then 1b as I had to move onto the other questions so I know I am no where near a 50% pass on this question.
I think it might be a retake in June π
March 5, 2018 at 7:24 pm #440449I wrote a similar thing, fingers crossed itβs right and we pick up a few marks!
March 5, 2018 at 7:26 pm #440450with the component auditor part in question 1 what were they asking for?.and what were they asking for in question 2
March 5, 2018 at 7:39 pm #440455what was the answer to the due diligence part on question 2?
March 5, 2018 at 7:54 pm #440465Is it me who is thinking P2 stuff was mostly examined in Q1 and not used much in other questions?
Or have I dreadfully missed to spot a whole load of standards being relevant in other questions? (I did 3 and 4 optional ones) Omg I hope not! Enough exams!!!!
(Not too good with P2 and hardly passed it too years ago now!)March 5, 2018 at 7:57 pm #440466@seancollins14 said:
what was the answer to the due diligence part on question 2?It is for fact finding, to minimise risk to firm.
This was then linked with the second part of that question asking why client due diligence was needed and it was to do with the fact MD in the given scenario had some issues in the past so his integrity needs to be questioned.March 5, 2018 at 8:01 pm #440467@alisheikhacca said:
what is a significant component. i wrote that if that asset are more than 15% of group assets. Is it okay???I wrote the same! I also got something 15% So let’s hope its right then!
Sig. Com decided with referral to a benchmark. I also took 15% as benchmarkMarch 5, 2018 at 8:15 pm #440469@adeoluomosanya said:
I believe this was a very fair paper. However, time pressures made it almost impossible to answer all questions in detail. Fingers crossed for a 50. P5 left.True! I overran 15 mins on Q1 which I did first as well. So rest of the whole paper under time pressure and almost missed few parts as well!
Good luck for P5!
March 5, 2018 at 8:41 pm #440477For question 1 the part on risk assessment what should you have wrote?
March 5, 2018 at 8:46 pm #440478@arvind111 said:
Yeah that was a tricky part really – think you could have taken it many ways.What did people write for audit risks
1. New client – detection risks
2. Opening balances – Rom
3. Translation risks
4. Use of other auditor for sub
5. Software amortisation or review for impairment at year end as nothing was said to be done for the purchased bits
6. Operating segments – separate disclosures
7. Transfer of assets between group – inter company eliminations so that balance not held in both companies???Anything else
I pretty much had all these too and also mentioned about the royalty asset and revenue recognition. This was a weak point though.
Thought the paper was okay.
For the professional scepticism part in Q1 I spoke about the comments from the previous auditor (it was something about blocking auditors access to details) and I spoke about being a new client, detection risk and I mentioned one or two other points but I can’t remember now.
For the due diligence part in 2A, I spoke about client screening procedures, doing searches of the client and companies, obtaining AML information and bringing it back to the question because they had done search in the director and the company. I wrote some other points but again I can’t remember of the top of my head
For the component auditor part in Q1C, I mentioned about the 15% of assets and that it was a significant component because if this. The risk part of Q1C I struggled with. I think I went around in circles with that part and didn’t really answer what the examiner was looking for.
I’ve attempted this paper a number of times and I hope this is my last attempt.
March 5, 2018 at 8:52 pm #440479@rositca said:
Q1 – first I thought that it’s new client too, but then I realised that probably it’s not. According to the previous exam papers, the examiner always tell us if it is a new client so I didn’t write about opening balances.I’m sure it said it was a new client, only appointed during the year and that we were auditors for all subs but for one. And they also gave comments from the previous auditor. What made you realise it probably wasn’t? I’m worried now that I’ve totally misinterpreted the information given haha
March 5, 2018 at 8:59 pm #440480for question 1 part c there was 8 marks.you hardly got the whole 8 marks for saying whether it was a component.there was probably 3 marks for doing a calculation and saying if its a component.but then there must have been 5 marks saying could you rely on his work?
March 5, 2018 at 9:08 pm #440481@seancollins14 said:
for question 1 part c there was 8 marks.you hardly got the whole 8 marks for saying whether it was a component.there was probably 3 marks for doing a calculation and saying if its a component.but then there must have been 5 marks saying could you rely on his work?I took it that it might have been 4 and 4 but I did struggle with the risk part of this question – I didn’t know what to really say. I mentioned that it was up to the component auditor to form an audit opinion on the FS of the sub but that we would need to assess when we consolidate *mind went blank at this*
March 5, 2018 at 9:37 pm #440489@accastudent54321 said:
I took it that it might have been 4 and 4 but I did struggle with the risk part of this question – I didn’t know what to really say. I mentioned that it was up to the component auditor to form an audit opinion on the FS of the sub but that we would need to assess when we consolidate *mind went blank at this*Yep – I assumed it was 4 & 4, because you probably got 2 marks for explaining what a significant component was, and then another 2 for going through the workings on the Sub.
March 5, 2018 at 9:49 pm #440491I thought the paper was very fair and I would expect a good pass rate as last time.
I felt disappointed with my performance, I just lost my cool. I panicked when I found that Q1 was not business risks as expected. I was also hoping due diligence did not come up, even though it’s a straight forward topic, I left it out in my study.
It’s very dangerous to topic guess in this paper and I have paid the price.
I took on Q5. As soon as I walked out the door of the exam, the recognition of the pension came back to me. Also I gave an adverse opinion but again after looking back I should have given a qualified except for opinion.
I will try again in June as the memory is still fresh. I will try to sit a few mock papers under exam conditions, I think this would help me.
Good luck to everyone and lets get back on the horse for those of us who had a bad day.
March 5, 2018 at 10:00 pm #440492@arvind111 said:
Yep – I assumed it was 4 & 4, because you probably got 2 marks for explaining what a significant component was, and then another 2 for going through the workings on the Sub.I said we should give guidance to component auditor in relation to materiality and also we should communicate significant risks on Group level so these can be addressed in their testing.. not sure if this is what they asked for
March 6, 2018 at 5:51 am #440514Time pressure will cost me. Time overrun on q1 with 15 minutes, panic very much and went blank. Fail to pic enough risk from question. And reading from the remarks ash I have poorly performed on this one.
But anyway all the best to you all.
March 6, 2018 at 6:56 am #440520Some of the audit risks that I have mentioned in Q1:
Foreign transactions – IAS 21
Intangible Assets – Purchase of $5 million
Intangible Assets – Internally produced software $10 million
Royalties – IFRS 15 (explained it poorly)
Software revaluation
Intragroup transactionsI missed on goodwill, operating segments etc..
Overall the paper was fair, spent too much time in section A, while there was easier marks in section B (Q3 &Q4). I did not prepare for due diligence so i missed some marks there as well.
Hope I can pass from the first attempt.
March 6, 2018 at 7:36 am #440530The exam was okay for well prepared students that plan their answers very well and keep mind on time.its unfurtunate i spent to much time on question 1trying to grap all the marks in the question and have 1:20min.left for the remaining 3Qs.i ended up not able to answer Q2 properly.so sad i fail in planimg my time. My first attempt
No shaking as get prepare for retake soon. as i understand historical pass rate for this paper is 33%.March 6, 2018 at 8:10 am #440537AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Did anyone attempt Q5?
– Pension Benefit Plan-relevant to the previous year service is $72M & not recognised in
full. Current year recognised only $18M and amortised over the vesting period of 4 years.
– fall of 12% – $48M in Investment properties (FRS 40)
– non-disclosure of the strike and loss of $5M revenue in the year 2018 and the chairman’
statement-stating no issues.Individual & Aggregate materiality?
March 6, 2018 at 9:26 am #440551AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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I am in the same situation. This is my last exam and i have taken it 4 times now.
I was not prepared the first two times because i had P2 to deal with as well, and i got a 46% the last time .I could have answer the whole exam and i think my aswers were good but i managed to do only about 70% of the exam, so if i fail it will be only due to time management. I have to learn how to make shorter points i guess because i literally cannot write any faster..i even gave myself a contracture.
it is so frustrating ..i dont understand the point of making things so hard for us, specially for those of us for whom english is not the first language.
i was thinking the next time i will just make loads of short point without trying to connect reasoning between phrases ( i think this is were i go wrong every time). It is hard becasue this is not what they do in their official answers.
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