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- September 9, 2016 at 12:17 am #339223
the scenarios are too lengthy, it takes approximately 45mins to 1hr to read the whole scenarios .i.e about 1/3 of the available time for the exam. its like the examiners are purposely using it to distract our writing time
September 9, 2016 at 1:51 am #339230AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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I am glad I am not the only one. Felt he same also for Q1 iii (profit / capital measuring questions…), read it almost 6 times and could not understand what it was actually meaning? I am not a native english though…
September 9, 2016 at 4:17 am #339236I think the free use of the 15 mins time help a lot in completing the exam on time. This is a good change!
September 9, 2016 at 8:35 am #339300What about restructuring costs in Q.1? I assumed it should have been capitalized and not expensed. So added to capital and removed from expenses, then recalculated ROCE and ROI. Not sure if right.
September 9, 2016 at 8:35 am #339301@kassy said:
I am glad I am not the only one. Felt he same also for Q1 iii (profit / capital measuring questions…), read it almost 6 times and could not understand what it was actually meaning? I am not a native english though…I am a native speaker and I struggled to understand some of their wording so I can only imagine how it must have felt for non-native speakers.
September 9, 2016 at 9:29 am #339316Hi @Raja, I dedicated around 2-3 hours a day to read the complete text; the book is lengthy but a significant part of it is dedicated to familiar concepts covered before in f5 and p3, it tries to give those topics a “performance management” approach now… Also many Test Your Understanding questions in Kaplan were ~previous years exam questions modified, so it saved me time when working with the Exam Kit.
September 9, 2016 at 11:19 am #339339Oh goosh. Really time pressured such that i had no time to fill out the questions i answered on the answer booklet..couldn’t finish…What do you think will happen?
The exams would have been ok for a 4 hour paper. A computer brain is needed to do justice within the time allocated…you input the info and you process and then you bring out the result..you pass…wished it were that simple. Maybe the examiners should also as a control sit for the papers at the same time as the students and make their findings and score public rather than in the examiner’s reports. On a positive note, sometimes the exam you feel worse about turns to a surprice pass just like my last P2…Lets all keep our hopes up…It is truly a professional examSeptember 9, 2016 at 11:23 am #339341AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Hi @raja!!!
I self studied for P7 and P5, which I sat for in June 2015 and June 2016 respectively. I used Kaplan’s Essentials Text for both papers… Only referred to the Study Text when in-depth knowledge and understanding was needed.
Timing: Started studying for the exams three months away; Since I am in full time employment, I spent 3 – 4 hours a day on studies; Spent the final four weeks revising and reading technical articles.
Best of luck to Sept 2016 candidates with exam results!!!!
September 9, 2016 at 4:11 pm #339376AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Hi,
If I ere you I would use course notes, videos (OT) and focus on exam practice.
I would do all the questions and see ho they are ansered? That should be enough in terms of theory because the exam is only 20% theory.The challenge from my perspective is actually to understand the requirements. So practice all questions, at least from June 11 onwards
Good luck. Challenging paper
September 10, 2016 at 9:38 am #339643if any body attempted q3 .i just want to know from him about abc calculation which was given in the question
thanksSeptember 10, 2016 at 10:07 am #339648AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Hi
In question 1, was the difference between existing & proposed performance measures was only Innovation & Learning part? Coz I didn’t find any other, may be I was wrong.
Another thing, what’s the problem in using different Performance measure. It was a part of question 1, right?September 12, 2016 at 4:30 pm #340077AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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I totally agree with you the optional questions were too long.
September 12, 2016 at 4:40 pm #340087AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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I found the paper to be a difficult one, the main issue for me was that the optional questions were too long giving all the complications that existed in the scenario and the time available to read and plan how to appropriately answer the questions.
September 13, 2016 at 12:41 am #340290Hi all,
Interesting hearing people’s thoughts about the wording of the questions causing confusion. Is it possible the confusion is because you haven’t fully studied and understood the subject rather than the examiner’s grammar?
September 13, 2016 at 11:41 am #340317IMO the questions themselves were not confusing but looking at the past ten papers, you gotta say the scenarios were all comparatively lengthy. Typically, one out of 3 questions in section B would be shorter.
I implore the markers to be flexible in assessing the candidates knowledge. For example in 1a, if I wrote on the prisms advantage over the BSc, I shd be given marks for it because they are the facts. Just because it’s “out of the sylllabus” does not mean the argument isn’t valid. And why the abrupt change in syllabus? September candidates are usually June 16 failures so the sudden drop of topics isn’t very helpful IMO.
September 13, 2016 at 11:21 pm #340411AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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I did same as most of you. Q1 and then q2 and q 4 – I taught myself home study. And found it ok although forgot stuff as large syllabus and did my best with what I knew. I thought fair but difficult paper but all acca exams are hard- otherwise everyone would do acca if it did challenge ! We are clever to get to this stage. I will resist if I fail this paper as thought mostly a fair paper.
September 14, 2016 at 10:25 am #340308AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Question 1… i) Problems of BSC…The cost paid to the consultant may outweigh the benefit obtained as the same performance metrics recommended by the consultant. second Bsc is a time consuming exercise. Third BSC may be difficult to understand some measures. Fourth BSC gives too many information so that information overload. and so on
ii) The current PM is helpful in measuring performance specially the profitability of the company. Financial measures are easy to calculate and understand. Most of the objectives measured except on strategy. But all metrics are Financial and not including Non Financial measures that can measure important performance areas. Second all measures internally focused.
The Proposed performance measures:- Looking at critical areas of companies strategies by devising BSC. The learning and innovation perspective is additional area by the proposal. But, The PM metrics are the same as the current PM metrics. It doesn’t come up with non financial measures. Financial measures like EVA are more important than ROCE as they provide information on value creation for shareholders.
iii)The FOUR different computations of ROCE. This can be calculated from the given profit figures and CE figures. and Net profit divided by Total Capital employed 11% is more appropriate for the whole company not for the division. The first computation (operating profit divided by Total CE) good for measuring division performance that are controllable profit figures.
iv) TQM and Current Quality management.
Current quality management has a 47% failure costs from the total quality cost that can be avoided if company works on quality. (Computation of quality cost is easy as given in the scenario.
TQM..Modern philosophy of manufacturing and Continues improvement of quality and zero defects. if implemented the 47% defect can be avoided.
v) Lean…Avoiding wastage and reducing cost and information flow become more flexible and timely with more reliable fashion. The scientists can update themselves and can be innovative and efficiency may be obtained if implemented.
These was my answers for Q1 shortly. am I on the right truck? please comment on my answer.September 14, 2016 at 10:25 am #340354The first question asked about the problems with implementing the BSC in the company, why would you be given marks talking about the prism?
September 15, 2016 at 2:15 am #340626Depends on how the arguments are framed. Anyway the prism was only used to highlight the weakness of the BSc in determining stakeholder demands and contribution. If I fail it would be question 2 which I should have done first in hindsight.
Do all of you always start with q1? For all the level 3 papers I start with the optional ones. It’s back to the drawing board for me. Sigh
September 16, 2016 at 6:44 pm #340736would like to ask about question number 4 part a i and ii
what was the question about ? I don’t remember the exact requirement. I linked how the proposed kpi (bying internally) would help achieve the objectives (4 objectives given in the scenario). do i make sense ?
for the first part i again wrote how focusing on csf would help achieve the objectives (again took the 4 objectives in turn without taking any csf into consideration)..Lastly, what are some of the issues in taking market price as the transfer price ?
Should we base the answer on division C solely or should we also consider other division B ?September 19, 2016 at 9:20 am #340887@danielglover said:
Hi all,Interesting hearing people’s thoughts about the wording of the questions causing confusion. Is it possible the confusion is because you haven’t fully studied and understood the subject rather than the examiner’s grammar?
For most people taking this course English is not our mother tongue. That said there is something about the way P5 questions are asked that leaves most wondering what does the examiner really want.
September 22, 2016 at 1:09 pm #341379AnonymousInactive- Topics: 1
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@maineventqk said:
IMO the questions themselves were not confusing but looking at the past ten papers, you gotta say the scenarios were all comparatively lengthy. Typically, one out of 3 questions in section B would be shorter.I implore the markers to be flexible in assessing the candidates knowledge. For example in 1a, if I wrote on the prisms advantage over the BSc, I shd be given marks for it because they are the facts. Just because it’s “out of the sylllabus” does not mean the argument isn’t valid. And why the abrupt change in syllabus? September candidates are usually June 16 failures so the sudden drop of topics isn’t very helpful IMO.
JUST BECAUSE IT’S “OUT OF THE SYLLABUS” DOES NOT MEAN THE ARGUMENT IS INVALID.
Thank you!!
September 27, 2016 at 7:24 pm #341903I cannot imagine doing these exams in another language! It must be hard.
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