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- December 9, 2017 at 12:04 pm #422236
I had the same answers as Nick in the NPV: £2.2m with the nominal and 960k in real terms. Although I thought that we should account for the perpetuity…but with the tax implication I was unsure how to do…
WACC was about 12%
But what was the right answer: average or end for receivable days? I put average because remembering that in Kaplan book was written to use average if available…
Then the equity policy I am not sure if the answers was describing the 2 theories: the history of dividends for shareholders that are keen in receiving it or the one that prefers to reinvest in profitable projects (I think it was M&M)?December 9, 2017 at 2:13 pm #422263Which one is not element of working capital?
I chose ‘cash’ . What do you think?
December 9, 2017 at 2:15 pm #422265Cash is a current asset though
I choose sales since its not an asset or liability
All the other options were assets or liabilities
December 9, 2017 at 2:35 pm #422268@hussen said:
Yes I chose closing account receivable the average balance will give a false operating cycle I think we always use the closing balanceI chose closing too, is that correct?
December 9, 2017 at 3:25 pm #422273@barbadoshk said:
I chose closing too, is that correct?i think it is not. imagine you had a receivable from january to december and you got the 99% repayment in the end of december stating immaterial amount of receivables in the year end.
however, it does not mean that your receivable period is short.
December 9, 2017 at 5:30 pm #422284@hits123 So for the nominal cash flows, i assumed you had to adjust for the inflation (contribution and fixed costs) and discount at 10%? I remember getting a NPV of 2.294m?
Then for the real cash flows, i assumed we didn’t adjust for inflation and use the discount factor of 6%? I think i got a NPV of 970k?
Also for the WACC did anyone get 12%?
Got approx the same for all 3 :O
December 9, 2017 at 5:32 pm #422285I agree with your answers
December 9, 2017 at 5:39 pm #422287@hits123 said:
And also, even more frustrating when you do practice questions they quote the share price as ex-div which is what you need for the questions. Whereas in this paper they decided to quote in cum div? I assume you just minus the dividend to be paid from the share price to get the ex-div? Anyone else do thisyes i did it too
December 9, 2017 at 8:34 pm #422313@gulush9128 said:
Which one is not element of working capital?I chose ‘cash’ . What do you think?
My choice was also cash – I was hesitating between sales and cash but i looked at the formula of cash flow cycle and the sales is an element of counting receivables days. So for me is cash.
What do you think guys ?
December 9, 2017 at 8:39 pm #422314For question 31 i got a WACC of 12% however i changed my answer to 23% as i decided to change my ordinary shares to 50 million x Share price!! The shares were already given in the question and the nominal value was given to put you off! Did anyone else do this?
December 9, 2017 at 8:49 pm #422315Are you talking about the market value of equity? If so isn’t it no of shares x PO?
December 9, 2017 at 9:33 pm #422317Yes the 50million ordinary shares given in the question
December 9, 2017 at 11:36 pm #422325I went for sales as the element not related to working capital but the more I think about it now the more I think it’s cash. This is a typical ACCA mcq where you think the answer is obvious but it turns out not to be! So many of this type of question in this exam to trip you up.
December 10, 2017 at 12:21 am #422333@opentuition_team said:
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(comments will open after 5pm UK)Hi everyone. How did you calculate the Market value of the 6% loan note, with a nominal value of 100, cost of capital 9%? Hope I remember the figures right.
December 10, 2017 at 1:06 am #422337I second Andreea’s question how did u guys calculate the MV for the 2 MCQ on loan notes
Or at least what option did u pick
December 10, 2017 at 8:59 am #422372I got around 12.27 % for my WACC.
For the nominal NPV I only adjusted Contribution and fixed costs using the specific inflation rates and then discounted it using the nominal discount rate.
For the real NPV I think I may have made a huge mistake coming to think of it now. I took the after tax cash flow from the Nominal NPV and deflated it by the general inflation of 4.7 percent and then discounted it using the real discount rate. Hoping atleast get partial credit for this.
Also in terms of the working capital cycle, I chose cash as not being an element of it because it is not used in any of the calculations. The options mentioned such as trade credit and sales are all used to calculate debtor days etc etc
December 10, 2017 at 9:03 am #422374I don’t remember correctly as to what I picked but if the loan note is redeemable you calculate market value by (Interest x Annuity) + (Redemtion x Discount Factor)
December 10, 2017 at 11:07 am #422379Did you incorporate the tax % anywhere in this computation?
If I remember well, the redemption value was pretax.December 10, 2017 at 12:10 pm #422383@lukman94 said:
Also in terms of the working capital cycle, I chose cash as not being an element of it because it is not used in any of the calculations. The options mentioned such as trade credit and sales are all used to calculate debtor days etc etc
i think the question dealt with WC element, not WC cycle.
the point is that all assets which generate sales may arise out of non-current assets (absolutely irrelevant for wc). furthermore, only credit sales are included in wc cycle calculation, whereas cash sales are absolutely irrelevant.
December 10, 2017 at 1:25 pm #422388@jmmyjimmy said:
i think the question dealt with WC element, not WC cycle.the point is that all assets which generate sales may arise out of non-current assets (absolutely irrelevant for wc). furthermore, only credit sales are included in wc cycle calculation, whereas cash sales are absolutely irrelevant.
Yes u right it was about working capital not working capital cycle. So sales was the answer
December 10, 2017 at 2:25 pm #422390If that’s the case then you would have to take the post tax interest. Interest (1-T)
December 10, 2017 at 3:17 pm #422392For the WACC calc the cost of debt was redeemable so essentially what I did was
Time 0 – Po
Time 1 – 8 I(1-T) discount at annuity
Time 8 – RV discount at present valueAnd then discount at two discount factors (lower and higher) and then work out the IRR = Kd (cost of debt)
December 10, 2017 at 4:11 pm #422397@elenarus said:
Agree with the “customers will buy cheaper abroad” and 2.4 years for the payback.What was the answer about the risk for purchases abroad (economic / transaction / translation)? I chose “economic+transaction”.
hopefully that’s right, wrote the same answer.
December 10, 2017 at 4:29 pm #422403I am sorry thats not the case. we use average receivables and not year end.
December 10, 2017 at 4:40 pm #422404It was a company should accept a project based on roce only if it exceeds the target rate. The target rate may be the cost of cap ,but not necessarily. depends on what the management thinks is the best rate for comparative analysis.
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