Could you please clarify why the NCI at acquisition is added to the FV of consideration (as against adding it to what is being acquired) as though the investor is the one bringing the NCI as part of the purchase consideration?
My understanding says, NCI is added, because you are deducting the net assets value of 100% of subsidiary. When you purchase a subsidiary you buy 50% or more , through consideration. the other 50% is NCI = total 100% of Subsidiary cost (consideration) less FV of Net Assets, will provide goodwill for the entire subsidiary. I hope I am able to explain properly.
Goodwill is the value of a company (market valuation) in excess of the company’s net assets. i.e. Goodwill = Value of company – Net assets
Remember NCI is what the acquirer did not buy. So for example, if acquirer buys 51% of the company, we assume: Value of company (100%) = FV of consideration (51%) + NCI at acquisition (49% balancing figure)
Therefore: Goodwill = (FV of consideration + NCI at acquisition) – Net Assets ^ which is basically the proforma
Related topic if you like to overlearn is ‘business valuation’ (recall from FR: net book value if the company is about to liquidate, market capitalization, etc.).
How come we deduct all of the impairment in the associate for the Group Retained Earnings and Investment in Associate Calculations, instead of just the parent’s % ownership like we do with a subsidiary?
Please if the subsidiary’s year end is more than 3 months after the parent’s year end, do you consolidate?
Also, if it is within 3 months after, or 3 months before the parent’s year end, what do you do exactly? You mentioned something about adjustment, how is this done? Thank you.
I want to know changes in fair value of net assets acquired after acquisition date’s journal entries. I noted that we can re-adjust retrospectively if that changes meet conditions. So, if fair value of net asset increase, should we re-adjust as debit in group’s non-current assets and credit in subsidiary’s post profit?
Based on PUP, if associate sells to parent, why do we debit w5 when parent and associate aren’t consolidated? If associate is selling to parent, the profit sits with the associate isn’t it? And if that’s the case then the parents retained figures aren’t affected.
It is a bit odd but regardless of the direction of the transaction, the entry is to debit the share of profit of associate (SPL) and credit the investment in associate (SFP) with the investor’s share of the profit.
We would normally take the entry to the inventory but as the inventory is in A’s books we cannot take it there as A’s inventory is not included within the group accounts. We therefore have to take the entry to the only element of the associate that is included within the group accounts, and that is the investment in associate.
tbellz says
Could you please clarify why the NCI at acquisition is added to the FV of consideration (as against adding it to what is being acquired) as though the investor is the one bringing the NCI as part of the purchase consideration?
Pooja says
My understanding says, NCI is added, because you are deducting the net assets value of 100% of subsidiary. When you purchase a subsidiary you buy 50% or more , through consideration. the other 50% is NCI = total 100% of Subsidiary cost (consideration) less FV of Net Assets, will provide goodwill for the entire subsidiary. I hope I am able to explain properly.
astrxphoria says
Goodwill is the value of a company (market valuation) in excess of the company’s net assets.
i.e. Goodwill = Value of company – Net assets
Remember NCI is what the acquirer did not buy. So for example, if acquirer buys 51% of the company, we assume:
Value of company (100%) = FV of consideration (51%) + NCI at acquisition (49% balancing figure)
Therefore:
Goodwill = (FV of consideration + NCI at acquisition) – Net Assets
^ which is basically the proforma
Related topic if you like to overlearn is ‘business valuation’ (recall from FR: net book value if the company is about to liquidate, market capitalization, etc.).
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/business-valuation.asp
Keensley91 says
How come we deduct all of the impairment in the associate for the Group Retained Earnings and Investment in Associate Calculations, instead of just the parent’s % ownership like we do with a subsidiary?
prka89 says
3:12 impairment goodwill every day? – i suppose it should be once a year
Jeby says
Impairment test on goodwill have to be done every year. (IAS-36)
astrxphoria says
Or when there is an indication of impairment (also IAS 36).
AOlalere says
Please if the subsidiary’s year end is more than 3 months after the parent’s year end, do you consolidate?
Also, if it is within 3 months after, or 3 months before the parent’s year end, what do you do exactly? You mentioned something about adjustment, how is this done? Thank you.
manishatai says
Hi – who is the NCI?
arunotes says
hi sir, may I know what does that means non-cotermious YE? I not really understand about this part.
patkev says
Non-conterminous year end from my understanding means both parent and subsidiary have different year ends, meaning they are not consistent
olabisijacobs says
Pls what does PUP mean or represent?
MikeLittle says
Provision for Unrealised Profit
olabisijacobs says
Thank you
wisecrack says
Profit on unrealised profit
wisecrack says
Sorry provision for unrealised profit
khinemiemielwin says
Hello sir,
I want to know changes in fair value of net assets acquired after acquisition date’s journal entries. I noted that we can re-adjust retrospectively if that changes meet conditions. So, if fair value of net asset increase, should we re-adjust as debit in group’s non-current assets and credit in subsidiary’s post profit?
Zura says
The explanations and illustrations is great, thank you tutor.
misbahkiran says
fantastic lecture…you are an amazing teacher..
kemkemm says
Based on PUP, if associate sells to parent, why do we debit w5 when parent and associate aren’t consolidated? If associate is selling to parent, the profit sits with the associate isn’t it? And if that’s the case then the parents retained figures aren’t affected.
Is this right?
Thanks for your help.
Sarah
P2-D2 says
Hi,
It is a bit odd but regardless of the direction of the transaction, the entry is to debit the share of profit of associate (SPL) and credit the investment in associate (SFP) with the investor’s share of the profit.
Thanks
laylluli says
hi sir, i am a little bit confused about that at the end of lecture, referring to adjust unrealised profits P to A, why need to Cr. Investment in A?
P2-D2 says
Hi,
We would normally take the entry to the inventory but as the inventory is in A’s books we cannot take it there as A’s inventory is not included within the group accounts. We therefore have to take the entry to the only element of the associate that is included within the group accounts, and that is the investment in associate.
Thanks