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- September 29, 2022 at 12:07 pm #667511
hello mr.chris
thres this question in the notes that you made a lecture on but i just cant wrap my head around something,just in case you can’ quite recall, here’s the question :Norman bought 10,000 debentures at a 2% discount on the par value of $100. The debentures are
redeemable in four years’ time at a premium of 5%. The coupon rate attached to the debentures is 4%.
The effective rate of interest on the debenture is 5.73%ok now in recording journals for year 1 you said:
DR investment 56,154
CR interest receivable 56,154(spl)
&
DR bank 40k
CR investment 40khere’s my 2 problems with that:
1-sice the interest receivable is recorded in the spl it increases our profits for the year but there isn’t actually any profit received!(besides that 40k that we credited to the investment account cuz it reduced the amount that the debt issuer has to give us) and the 56,154 is actually made up of 2 numbers our 40k and the 16,154 of that 5% maturity interest(that will add up to 70k in the 4th year) SO it seems like the 16,154 is somehow like a provision(than an actual profit) for the 70k that we receive plus the whole 160k thats 4yr*40k so why do we even record it in spl? does it not overstate the profits that would be received in the 4th year? like we are literally overstating profits each year as to create a provision to achieve at the 70k but the 4th year is actually when that profit is received!
2-why would we even bother with the effective interest rate? why not just say OK we’ll ultimately receive 70k in the 4th year lets just go ahead and say 70k/4yr=17.5k and record that as an income?
OK?(yes i am copying your style 😀 )
thanks
October 1, 2022 at 9:24 am #667629Hi,
I think the key issue that you are missing is that we purchase the bond at a 2% discount thus paying 980,000 but will then receive a 5% on redemption. In four years time we therefore will be receiving 1,050,000.
If we did not account for the effective interest over the life of the bond then how would we adjust the 980,000 investment up to the 1,050,000 we receive on redemption? We could just wait for four years and record one large gain (70,000 = 1,050,000 – 980,000) but that does not apply the matching concept, so we need to spread this amount over the life of the bond based upon the effective rate.
Your simplified method of spreading the income evenly over the life of the bond is a reasonable treatment but it does not match the amount of interest to the value of the investment. As the value of the investment increases each year then the interest income would remain the same, therefore not applying the matching concept.
Hope that clears it up a bit.
Thanks
October 1, 2022 at 10:01 am #667640HI
Thanks! that makes it easier to understand from an accounting point of view, but realistically speaking, why do we even have a matching concept? and i know that i might be a bit tailoring towards philosophy here but it seems rather artificial that we are overstating the profits each year arbitrarily in order to get to that 1.05mil that we will eventually receivethanks for your time
October 5, 2022 at 4:51 pm #667915If we didn’t have a matching concept then there would potentially be recognising income and no associated costs, or vice-versa.
Think back to the reason behind the bookkeeping entries for depreciation, accruals, prepayments, and closing inventory.
Thanks.
August 23, 2024 at 10:13 am #710222pls show me how how do we arrive at 980000
August 30, 2024 at 8:02 am #710521We bought 10,000 debentures with a par value of $100 each but discounted by 2%, so there $98. 98 x 10,000 = 980,000.
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