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- February 25, 2021 at 4:35 pm #611701
Hi Kim,
I have a question in relation to the exam questions. I have got 46% and 48% second attempt and I only attempted 2 questions in both cases. I wonder if I don’t get 50% because I don’t approach the 3rd question. Is it mandatory that I need to at least start it? Or is it possible to get pass only based on two questions?
February 25, 2021 at 5:54 pm #611708As a former examiner for ACCA’s Advance Audit and Assurance exam I can tell you that it is far harder to achieve a pass attempting only 75% of the exam than to attempt all Qs and all parts of all Qs – because you are setting yourself a pass mark of 67% on what you attempt – that is a very high hurdle.
You also make it almost impossible for a second marker to find “additional credit” if you haven’t attempted 25% of the exam. It’s not going to “impress” a marker/examiner that a candidate achieved nearly 50% when they spent a third more time than they should have done on two questions whilst disregarding the 3rd. The marker/examiner cannot “guess” when a question is not attempted whether that was a deliberate (and ill-advised) ploy or because the candidate failed to study the entire syllabus and had no idea how to tackle the question.
If I sound “harsh” it’s because I want you to gear yourself up seriously to attempting all questions and all parts of questions on Monday.
There is a really interesting case here – a student who thought she would have extra time but didn’t but managed to keep her cool and attempt all questions – she passed well (I know that was SBL – but same principle for predominantly written exam). https://opentuition.com/topic/mitigating-circumstances-3
I know that some students have boasted 50% pass marks attempting not all questions but I think that is increasingly rare as all the strategic professional exams are moving away from computations to more narrative answers.
Please see my “must read” post at the top of this forum https://opentuition.com/topic/a-must-read-for-aaa-march-2021-candidates-2 and my other sticky/starred posts. Magdalena, you are close – you can do it – but you must (please for me?) allocate your time.
I will aim to answer posts over the weekend so please ask, if you need more advice.
February 25, 2021 at 7:41 pm #611716Thank you for your advise, I start with small question which normally takes me about 10 mins longer than should. Then I moved to the big question and this is where i get lost. Or more I find it very difficult to move on because I cannot cut myself when it comes about explaining standards or writing procedures as I know I am not good at explaining them and i count that i would only probably get 1/5 marks for it. I was mad at myself last exam because I run out of time when the last question was really easy like ethical and professional issues.. Maybe better strategy would be to start with small question then do even half of another small question and then move to the big one. I also found that when typing in stress I am making mistakes and then i waste time to correct them. Oh I will do my best to simply move on the questions.
February 25, 2021 at 7:55 pm #611717I meant 1/2 mark for procedure if not explained well.
February 26, 2021 at 8:12 am #611756You don’t need to watch the lecture – but please take a quick look at this article https://opentuition.com/acca/aaa/advanced-audit-assurance-tackle-exam
You probably think it too late to change your approach but you really should be starting with the case study question – if part (a) is 20 marks that’s almost a “smaller” question.
It’s really important to think about mark allocations e.g. for risks:
20 marks at 2/3 marks per risk evaluated means you are looking for c. 8 risks – you need to write only 2/3 sentences for your evaluation, 1 of which should be the easiest mark for materiality, where relevant (i.e. numbers provided).A materiality sentence can be very short – for example: “For the Sunseeker ships, $75 million amounts to 4·2% of total assets and is therefore material.”
Materiality is likely to be capped – typically at 4 marks – so you don’t need to calculate for every risk – but that’s fine because some risks don’t need quantification (e.g. non-disclosure of RPTs or a matter of detection risk).
February 26, 2021 at 8:00 pm #611863Thanks Kim again.
In relation to analytical procedures if I calculate ratios and YoY increase in % this normally would be kept at 1/2 marks per explained calculation. Is it capped in marks scheme too? my problem with the big question i never know how much explanation i need to give to get the marks cause the example answers are massive and don’t know what grants the mark as necessary to be included in the answer.
I just find that normally small questions are better presented in exhibits and are easier to follow and there is limited number of things that i can mention. In big question I just cannot stop typing cause I am worried that what i typed is not enough.
Ah very stressed
February 27, 2021 at 7:40 am #611878You may have read it already but please find time to look again at the “Read the mind” article https://opentuition.com/topic/looking-for-guidance-on-marking if you compare the skim review the answers – it is not what is long that earns the marks – but what has been thought out. Get the feel for what earns a mark and what doesn’t.
SP exams are not a speedwriting/typing test – the mantra is “THINK MORE – write (type) LESS)”. If you are just typing, typing, typing you can’t be thinking. You should be thinking – does my audience the board of directors/marker/examiner want to know this? If anything is straight from the scenario – then no – they know that already – so your point has to add value.
Re ratios – please see what I wrote here about ratios (in response to the absence of a spreadsheet workspace) https://opentuition.com/topic/cbe-question-practice-for-professional-exams-practice-platform.
Re marking and ratios – this is the TYPICAL scheme (S/D19) taken from a Q that referred to using analytical procedures:
“Up to 3 marks for each audit risk EVALUATED unless otherwise indicated. Marks may be awarded for other, relevant risks not included in the marking guide.” In other words – some risks may be worth a max of only 2 marks. This means that you shouldn’t waste time trying to think of or “force” a 3rd point to make for a particular risk. If you can think of only 2 sentences – great – move on!
“In addition, ½ mark for each relevant trend or calculation which forms part of the audit risk evaluation (max 3 marks)” This is what I write more about in the article – it has to be PART of the evaluation, but is ½ per calculation within the evaluation – and capped.
“Materiality calculations should be awarded 1 mark each (max 4 marks).” – I already dealt with above.
Let me illustrate with a para from the answer – first by shortening it to its essence and then adding marks in brackets:
“Several audit risks arise as a result of the disposal. First there is a risk that the assets are not treated as a disposal group for the purpose of IFRS 5 and have continued to be depreciated. Assets are possibly overvalued if an impairment review has not been performed or assets not measured at the lower of carrying amount and fair value less costs to sell. The fact that Primal Burgers Co’s revenue is projected to fall by 3·9% indicates that impairment of assets could be an issue, increasing the risk of misstatement.”“Disposal
There is a risk that the assets are not correctly treated as a disposal group and have continued to be depreciated [1 mark]. Assets are possibly overstated [1/2 mark] if an impairment review has not been performed [½ mark] or assets not measured at the lower of carrying amount and fair value less costs to sell [½ mark]. The fact that Primal Burgers Co’s revenue is projected to fall by 3·9% [1/2 mark] indicates that impairment of assets [0 mark – repetition] could be an issue, increasing the risk of material misstatement [½ mark].”There are other ways I could have shown this but essentially there are 3½ marks here – 3 for evaluation and ½ for the ratio/%.
Note that if the the requirement does not specifically call for ratios/trends, they can still be included in the answer to explain risks – but will not carry additional marks.
April 13, 2021 at 9:54 pm #617475Hi Kim,
Thank you for the advise. I have passed third attempt 73%. I didn’t think i would as I thought the quality of my answer was much worse than prior times when i got 46,48% attempting only 2 questions but i was so focused on time that all I was worried about was to write anything in 3rd question.
Any way is done and dusted and I have applied for my membership finally:)April 14, 2021 at 8:00 am #617521Magdalena – I am absolutely delighted for you – that is terrific! I would be grateful if you would consider writing a post “How I passed AAA at 3rd attempt [with 70%]” – or similar – with just few sentences that would give encouragement to students who are following you.
If you post something to this forum https://opentuition.com/forum/acca-forums/aaa-advanced-audit-and-assurance-forums I will make it a sticky post.
Congratulations again!
PS – I have just noticed that on the exam results post someone has replied to your post “Finally passed 73%” with “What was your strategy” – so if you can make a post I can direct them to it.
April 14, 2021 at 11:32 pm #617671Hi Kim,
I wrote the post in the link that you left for me. You may want to see if I didn’t go into too much details and correct it or shorten it if needed.
I hope someone may find it useful.It is great to finally not to think about studying 🙂
April 15, 2021 at 9:07 am #617705Thank you very much for the time you took to write the post – I have left it exactly as you wrote it – this is exactly what students need to read 🙂
September 4, 2021 at 6:55 pm #634334Can you explain what does second marker giving additional credit means that you referred to in your first reply here.
September 4, 2021 at 7:42 pm #634344All marginal fail scripts are “second marked” – to ensure that everything that can be credited has been credited. You should appreciate that especially for an almost wholly written exam like AAA, a marker has to exercise judgment in the awarding of marks – especially when a candidate’s first language is not English. A marker may read, re-read and re-read again a sentence to make sense of it – but frankly, if after 3 readings, the meaning of a sentence is not clear, a marker is not going to give credit for it. Second marking ensures that every effort is made to give credit where it is due.
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