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Writing off intangible assets

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  • October 20, 2016 at 12:48 pm #345176
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    Hi Mike,

    I’m having troubles with this question: PICANT Co, Kaplan revision kit question 211. I have watched your lecture on this question but still could not understand how writing-off-intangible-asset is accounted for. (Partially because I’ve gotten so used to using the ‘net asset’ method to calculate reserves).

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    Also at the date of the acquisition, Sander had an intangible asset of $500,000 for software to have no recoverable value at the date of acquisition and Sander wrote it off shortly after its acquisition.

    In the “net assets” working,

    (this is the full working of ‘net assets’, but the other figures other than ‘software written off’ are completely unrelated to the intangible asset write off calculation)

    At acquisition reserves:
    Share capital $8,000
    Retained earnings $16,500
    Fair value adjustment $2,000
    Software written off $(500)
    = $26,000

    At reporting date reserves:
    Share capital $8,000
    Retained earnings $17,500
    Fair value adjustment $2,000
    Fair value depreciation $(100)
    = $27,400

    At post acquisition reserves:
    Retained earnings $1,000
    Fair value depreciation $(100)
    Software written off $500
    = $1,400

    Explanation:
    The effect of the software having no recoverable amount is that it’s write-off in the post acquisition period should be treated as a fair value adjustment at the date of acquisition for consolidation purposes. The consequent effect is that this will increase the post acquisition profit for consolidation purposes by $500,000.

    If the software had no recoverable value, shouldn’t we still recognize it as a separable intangible asset at $500,000 in our calculation of ‘at acquisition reserves’ and thus goodwill? Since Sander wrote it off after its acquisition, the ‘at acquisition reserves’ and therefore the consolidated goodwill wouldn’t have been affected?

    My workings were:

    Net assets:

    At acquisition reserves:
    Share capital $8,000
    Retained earnings $16,500
    Fair value adjustment $2,000
    Software $500,000
    = $27,000

    At reporting date reserves:
    Share capital $8,000
    Retained earnings $17,500
    Fair value adjustment $2,000
    Fair value depreciation $(100)
    = $27,400

    At post acquisition reserves:
    Retained earnings $1,000
    Fair value depreciation $(100)
    Software written off $(500)
    = $400

    Hope the above has been clear to you. Thank you

    October 20, 2016 at 1:38 pm #345185
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    “If the software had no recoverable value, shouldn’t we still recognize it as a separable intangible asset at $500,000 in our calculation of ‘at acquisition reserves’ and thus goodwill? Since Sander wrote it off after its acquisition, the ‘at acquisition reserves’ and therefore the consolidated goodwill wouldn’t have been affected?”

    No, you’re mistaken

    Consider the software issue as an issue of fair value adjustments

    As at date of acquisition that software was worthless so in the working W2 for goodwill, that software needed a fair value adjustment to bring its value down to zero as at acquisition date

    If that had been done correctly, that $500,000 would not have been around to be written off in the post-acquisition period

    Is that better?

    October 22, 2016 at 3:28 pm #345596
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    So, since $500,000 isn’t around to be written off in the post acquisition period, we have to add it back in order to ensure that the “at acquisition reserves” and “post acquisition reserves” add up exactly to the “at reporting date reserves”, is that correct?

    October 22, 2016 at 9:03 pm #345630
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    At acquisition the software was still there

    At reporting date the software had been written off

    But it should have been written off as at acquisition date

    So we need to write it off acquisition date profits and add it back to reporting date profits

    OK?

    October 24, 2016 at 12:12 am #345745
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    I understand why we need to write the intangible asset off as at acquisition date, but since the intangible asset has no recoverable value, I still don’t get how writing off it ncreases post acquisition profits?

    Would the answer have been different, had Sander wrote it off as at acquisition date instead?

    October 24, 2016 at 12:13 am #345746
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    Increases*

    Sorry for the typo error

    October 24, 2016 at 7:44 am #345768
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    We need to increase the post-acquisition figure because the write off has happened in the post-acquisition period … and it shouldn’t have!

    If we’re told the pre-acquisition situation and then told that something that should have been expensed in that period (but wasn’t expensed until the post-acquisition period) then we need to ‘move’ that write-off expense

    So reduce the pre-acquisition and increase the post-acquisition

    Is that better?

    Try this:

    Pre acq 84,000

    Post acq 95,000

    Total 179,000

    and we’re told that 3,000 written off post acq should have been written off pre acq

    So reduce pre acq by 3,000 bringing it down to 81,000 and increase post acq by 3,000 increasing it to 98,000

    Total? Still 179,000

    October 24, 2016 at 10:44 am #345800
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    That makes perfect sense now, thank you so much!

    October 24, 2016 at 10:58 am #345801
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    You’re welcome

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