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Why the Intra-group transfer of plant is not qualified as a intra-group trade?

Forums › Ask ACCA Tutor Forums › Ask the Tutor ACCA FR Exams › Why the Intra-group transfer of plant is not qualified as a intra-group trade?

  • This topic has 7 replies, 2 voices, and was last updated 10 years ago by AvatarMikeLittle.
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  • April 12, 2016 at 1:49 pm #309877
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    Hi Mr Mike Little,

    This is specifically relating to Q 1 June 2011 exam.

    Prodigal transferred a plant to the subsidiary Sentinel immediately after the acquisition. The transfer price is 5 million at cost of 4 million. So why don’t we adjust the group revenue and cost of sales by both 5 million? But only with the unrealised profit on the transfer, ie 1 million, as well as the difference of depreciation?

    Thank you.

    April 12, 2016 at 3:47 pm #309899
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    Hi Sir,

    I looked up the text book when I got home and found out the related instructions on intra-group asset transfer procedures. So I’m understanding my original question now. But what I do not understand is why the depreciation adjustment falls on the intra-group asset transferring is not taken to the calculation of post acquisition profits of Sentinel.

    My working was increase the profit of Sentinel by 1000 (5 million value / 2.5 years of depreciation * 6/12 post acquisition period); and decrease the profit of Prodigal by 800 (4 million value / 2.5 years of depreciation * 6/12 post acquisition period).

    Why the answer provided by the Examiner is only to adjust the difference of depreciation by increase the profit on the Prodigal?

    Thank you!

    April 13, 2016 at 1:18 am #309946
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    Hi Sir,

    Could you help me understand my question two? Thank you.

    April 13, 2016 at 7:43 am #309974
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    I’ve already typed out a complete answer to this! Where’s it gone?

    Until relatively recently it was accepted that we eliminate the profit on the transfer from the selling company and we adjust for the excess depreciation charge in the records of the buying company

    But then it changed.

    The thinking now is that, when an asset is transferred, a profit is accounted for, but it’s an unrealised profit. That profit becomes realised by the passage of time so, as each year goes by, an appropriate proportion of that profit is realised. And that realised proportion is equal to the excess depreciation that is charged by the buying company

    So nowadays we make the FULL net adjustment in the records of the selling company

    OK?

    April 13, 2016 at 12:36 pm #310001
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    So you mean if the transferring is done from subsidiary to the parent, the unrealised profit (aka the excessive depreciation) is adjusted on the profits of the subsidiary?

    Thank you.

    April 13, 2016 at 3:26 pm #310011
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    “the unrealised profit (aka the excessive depreciation)” – not sure what you mean by this but the pup ie the profit on the transfer as adjusted for the excess depreciation is adjusted in the selling company – in your question, the subsidiary

    April 13, 2016 at 5:30 pm #310038
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    OK, got it now. Thanks.

    April 13, 2016 at 5:52 pm #310041
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    You’re welcome

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