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- April 16, 2018 at 12:59 am #446957
Hi Sir,
I have failed P2 March 2018 exam, and this is my re-take, I have no idea why I have failed it again, I memorised my accounting standards, but I think the things I wrote down were not what the examiners wanted, and I couldn’t finish my balance sheet.
can you give me any advices/strategies on question 2 and 3? do you think I should do question 1 first for my next re-sit?
Bowen
April 17, 2018 at 1:03 am #447599Hi Browen,
I came across your comment and am sorry to see you are struggling with P2, I do not want to take Chris part but I will give you my advice as an ACCA student who pass 71 first attempt and by the way I have struggled with P1 and was looking for any sort of help especially from a student point of view as what I should do to clear it.
here what i did I relied very heavily on open tuition and Kapalin revision kit along so much reading around particular topics, lease revenue etc, I read lots of articles published by PWC and EY as they gives more details than any textbook out there.
You need to know your knowledge very well and know how to use it, the question scenario will never give what standard to use, also each scenario will indicate or gives hits and you must be able to pick them up from the scenario. for example, the scenario might include something the company is doing wrong and therefore might be sued or a legal penalty might be imposed- this clear indication for ISA 37, if the event took place prior or after year end this is an indication to ISA10. might be an adjusted or non-adjusted event.
In your answer, use the words because a lot as you need to bring the scenario into your answer, take the following example, PPE ISA16 requires capitalising initial cost pluse all direct cost to bring assets into its usable condition.
for example, ISA 23 borrowing cost, when it needs to be capitalized? the scenario will tell you dates and what happened only- your job is to pick the correct dates from the question and say the following; the company xys need to capitalise the cost from x date to x date because in accordance with ISA23 the borrowing cost need to be capitalised, and stop capitalise them on X date because in accordance with ISA 23 borrowing cost need to stop be capitalised in the earlier of 3 occasions hence xys need to add this cost and amortise them over x years
hope you have got the jest of what I am trying to reach to you.
try past exam question and try to establish a logical reasoning of the examiner question and answer why the examiner provided such answer in wide details how and why did he link the question to answer etc.
with consolidation, nothing can be better than question practice, your best shot is watching the open tuition lecture and then try past exam question keep doing the same question over and over again untill you master it and yes the same question does not memorise- I know it is not a pleasant feeling but you need to understand rather memorise or rely on luck
best of luck and I hope my advise will give you some sort of a frsh start.
April 18, 2018 at 12:57 pm #447975Hi ajjajj,
Thank you so much for answering my queries and giving me helpful advices 🙂
I will try the approach for the June re-sit and hopefully I will pass this time !
I do have one more concern though regards to whether I am writing enough points for the questions. Because during the last exam, I end up taking too long writing Q2 &3, I was worried that I am not writing enough points to earn marks, so I kept writing and wasted too much time. I know that I only have to write valid points not nonsense, but I thought maybe my points were not good enough. That’s why I didn’t have a chance to finish the balance sheet
And in the case that I do not know which the standard part of question is asking, how do I approach the question?
Thank you,
BowenApril 18, 2018 at 5:05 pm #448023I think the problem is, there is no one out there can give you an answer to your question in term of the how much you need to write in order to score good mark.
Here what I did, one relevant point per mark, but you may ask what is a relevant point?
the point has to be concise informative drown from the standard itself.
Think of financial reporting as being Statement of financial position SOFP and profit and loss P &L.
SOFP has the assets and liabilities
P&L has income and expenseswhat you need to know is the definition of assets and liability for the balance sheet.
think of intangible assets ISA 38 what you need to know and what are the relevant points? assume company bought a licence to fish in the sea for 4 years.
from the definition of the assets you always can get 2 points.
1- Assets is controlled by the enterprise as a result of past event invoice or you pick up information from the question indicating that the company bought the assets, for example, the company paid the government money to obtain the licence.
2- future economic are expected to follow into the enterprise, using it to fish and sell the fish.the standard itself.
recognition and measurements.
how can you measure it? purchase price plus direct costs in accordance with the standards what are the cost and what is the total value to go to the balance sheet?
subsequent measurements, amortisation over its useful life on a street line basis charged to P&l
disclosure, what are the disclosure requirements disclose the value of the licence and remaining and amortisation policy.
now you think of a liability.
what is the definition? how can you measure it? what is the subsequent treatment ?
let’s say provision, a present obligation arising from past event, this will cause an outflow of cash, ISA 37 and any other liability, such as redundancy, creating a valid expectation.
future dismantling cost, measured using present value and then unwind it as a finance cost.
with P&L items think of income IFRS15 and expenses accruals matching principles employee benefits, for example, it need to be expensed over the service cost.
April 18, 2018 at 11:34 pm #448069the following is quoted from your words “And in the case that I do not know which the standard part of question is asking, how do I approach the question?”
clearly you are not the only one who makes this type of mistake as I remember the examiner made a comment regarding the same issue, particularly with a review IFRS15 , He said many students rewrite the 5 steps when a question ask about the review.
when you have a question to do with review ask your self is it single transaction? is it a bundle? is the timing is significant? has the legal title and ownership of the assets being transferred to the buyer? is the company selling a service, physical assets or acting as an agent?
lets say the company sold physical assets, then immediately you should know this is a single performance obligation and revenue should be recognised in full when the legal title of the assets is transferred full mark guaranteed and if you say anything else you have wasted your time and gain no marks for additional information.
now think of service, car dealer sell cars and warranty, an important point to note the dealer can sell the product either separately or complained so it is a bundle you need to say this is a bundle, 1- identify the performance obligation warranty and car,2- what is the price of the transaction is calculated based on the standalone price. the part of the review related to the car is recognised when legal title is transferred, the review related to the worthy is recognised on the accrual basis, where the deferred review is created and recognised on a monthly basis or at the year-end adjustment write the journal entry for all transactions. Full mark too.
think of service, is there a contract yes, how much is it ? how much review is to be recognised, a real-life example I used to work in an accountancy practice in the UK we had a client who sells tech service like app provider and takes ideas turn them to tech and programming. most of his contract is over 15 month as testing etc, so sometimes he get paid in full.
who to recognise this at the year-end?
1- there is a contract, service contract
2- the review should be recognised as and when the contract obligation is satisfied delivery of the job.provide the journal entry you will be fine.
think in the exam I remember, car dealer leases cars, cars i bet many students full into his trap when he said no depreciation is recognised.
cars are his inventories ISA2 valued at lower of NRV or cost, then at the sales in line with IFRS 15 there is significant finance elements, IFRS16 it was financed lease so assets must be derecognised upon sales and creat investments in lease assets and recognsie the review on a straight line basis.
see with the cars how many standards were there? IFRS 16, 15 and IAS 2 how many marks were there 8 marks if you wrote 2 sentences from each standard then guarantee you will score full mark.
April 19, 2018 at 8:56 am #448109Hi ajjajj,
Firstly, I wanna thank you for taking the time to answer my questions and also giving me your email to contact you 🙂
the advices you provided are very informative and helpful. especially the part you answered about the approach to use when I don’t know which standard to use, you have simplified the hard bit and made it easily understandable 🙂
I am currently using your approach working on the questions, and it seems to be working for me, I cannot thank you enough !!!
but I am still a bit stuck on the Q1 group questions, when I was calculating “goodwill, nci and reserves”, I always end up getting lost when the group structure gets complicated, it’s like I couldn’t think straight or something. to be more specific, when the parent company dispose part of the shares of a subsidiary, but the sub stays controlled, I make mistakes calculating “goodwill and nci”.
Thank you,
BowenApril 19, 2018 at 11:17 am #448129That is good you started to see where you were going wrong and started to implement a correct approach and technique, and I hope you go through it next time.
With good will, that something I can’t help with as much apart from suggesting you watch the lectures in the open tuition, first ensure you know the basic knowledge summarise them on your own words there are 5 steps to consolidations, step 2 is good will ensure you know both methods, after you got the logic and basic idea hit past exam questions and start practicing when you finished checking your answer against the examiner answer and see where you went wrong. then stand back think for a second what are is the reason ? is it related to basic knowledge if yes then go back and ensure your basic knowledge is corrected? is it because you are doing the same mistake? yes, you need to work out a way of not doing the same mistake again. is it because something is new? learn it and try to adapt it to smiler situation in the future. but certainly, cant help if you are doing mathematical errors
my final peise of advice is to make sure you know the definitions of assets, liability and provision.
April 27, 2018 at 1:48 pm #449072Hi ajjajj,
I followed your advices and checked the opentuition lectures on consolidation, the tutor said that the 35 marks on Q1 is all about numbers, no need for explanations. It really does waste a lot of time from my past experiences.
But then I thought I need to show all the workings, is it enough to just show the double booking entry? When doing workings, do I do the first 3 big ones: Goodwill, Retained earnings and NCI first, and then do the rest of the notes in the question?
Sometimes I do it by line-by-line solving, messed up the order and got distracted.
Thanks,
Bowen
April 27, 2018 at 1:49 pm #449073also the 15 marks on accounting standards and ethics. I thought I managed well on the ethics, but judging from my marks, I think I might lost some marks there. The accounting standard Q in part (b) often is a surprise.
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