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Trading profit- basis period HELP

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  • This topic has 9 replies, 2 voices, and was last updated 13 years ago by fairy :) .
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  • January 16, 2012 at 1:39 pm #51298
    fairy :)
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    question : y/e 31 jan 2010 £6000
    y/e 31 jan 2011 £7000
    17 months to june 2012 £11000
    y/e 30 june 2013 £ 8000

    im lost , when i have to work out the “17month” period..i look at answer but have no idea how, its calculated ???? HELP
    and as its a tax year how come you dont prorate the y/e to the current tax year ?????

    January 18, 2012 at 11:04 am #92915
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    Hi Louise,
    Y/E Profit (£)
    31-Jan-10 6000
    31-Jan-11 7000
    30-Jun-12 11000
    30-Jun-13 8000

    Tax year Amount (£) formula Description
    2008/09 1000 =6000*2/12 from 1st Feb to 31 March 2008
    2009/10 6000 =6000 from 1st Feb to 31 Jan 2010
    2010/11 7000 =7000 From 1st Feb 2010 to 31 Jan 2011
    2011/12 8666.667 =(11000*5/12)+(7000*7/12) – see below
    2012/13 7764.706 =11000*12/17 see below
    2013/14 8000 =8000 Actual profit for year ending 30th June 2013

    First thing you need to do is to ascertain the year of change.

    1) Identify the “year of change”.
    2) Calculate taxable profits for all tax years either side of the year of change:

    Before the change – tax 12 months of profits up to the “old” accounts date.

    After the change – tax 12 months of profits up to the “new” accounts date.

    3) Identify the “gap” period – the “gap” here is the period of profits which have not thus far been taxed.

    4) Tax the profits in the “gap”:

    If the “gap” exceeds 12 months, reduce the profits by using up an appropriate amount of overlap relief.

    If the “gap” is less than 12 months, tax an appropriate amount of profits from the previous period to make the gap up to the 12 months. This will create additional overlap relief.

    Select the appropriate the tax year of change. (you need to select earlier year)

    1) if you had tax the accounting period based on old date i.e. 31 Jan. then a accounting period would end on 31-jan-2012. which falls in tax year 2011/12
    2) the new accounting period falls on 30th Jun 2012. which falls in tax year 2012/13

    So the year of change is 2011/12

    Tax year
    2008/09
    You need to tax from start of accounting period to 31 March. i.e. for 2 months.

    2009/10
    Since the first accounting period ends on 31 Jan, which is 12 months. We would tax whole full year of 12 months.
    Please note that it would create 2 months of overlap already taxed in 2008/09.

    2010/11
    In this tax year, ideally you would tax 12 month account period. i.e. 1st feb to 31 Jan 2012.

    2011/12
    This is the year of change. So you would work on this tax year later.

    2012/13
    Since in this tax year the accounting period ends i.e. you would tax 12 months out of 17 months.

    Now you would calculate the amount for 2011/12

    2010/11: – £7,000 – tax

    2011/12: – ?

    2012/13: – £7,765 (taxed 12 months out of 17 months)

    Now for 2011/12 you would tax remain

    Tax remaining 5 months out of 17 months: – £11,000 * 5/12 (5 months)
    For rest 7 months, take it from previous year: – £7,000 * 7/12 (12 months)

    That would give a 12 month profit of £8,667 for tax year 2011/12

    Please note that it would create overlap profit of 9 months.
    2 months of 2008/09 – £6,000 * 2/12
    7 month as calculated above – £7,000 * 7/12
    Overlap profit available : – £5,083

    Hope it solves your query

    Regards
    Raj

    January 18, 2012 at 12:02 pm #92916
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    thx, gona print it out, and have a do over of the question 🙂

    January 18, 2012 at 12:23 pm #92917
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    but the 31 jan 2010, would fall in tax yer 09/10 as it falls in between 6-4-09 to 5-4-10??

    🙂

    January 18, 2012 at 12:25 pm #92918
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    it would be taxed ye 2010/2011? 2 months feb /mar..april it wouldnt as its begining of another tax year ????

    January 18, 2012 at 12:41 pm #92919
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    sorry for the bombarding…but it dosent click in my head lol

    why have u done 08/09 £ 1000, for 1 march 08/09 ?? if the £6000 date falls in the 09/10 ???

    January 18, 2012 at 1:14 pm #92920
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    its ok. I agree.
    I prepared based on the assumption that trading business started on 1Feb 2009.
    As such for the tax year 2008/09 : – Business would be liable for tax from 1 Feb 2009 (i.e. start of business) to 31 March 2009 (i.e. end of tax year).
    As such for 2008/09 profit taxable would be for 2 months.
    Next tax year, 2009/10.
    Since the accounting period ends on 31 Jan 2010. We would consider 12 months (including 2 months already taxed). i.e £ 6,000
    This would create a overlap profit for 2 months, which would be relieved either on change of accounting period or closure of the business.

    Hope its help.
    Otherwise do let me know.

    Regards
    Raj

    January 18, 2012 at 1:29 pm #92921
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    I fel that my answer might have confused you.
    if the business has already started long back and now the trader has changed the accounting period. in that case following would be the answer.

    2009/10 6000 =6000 from 1st Feb to 31 Jan 2010
    2010/11 7000 =7000 From 1st Feb 2010 to 31 Jan 2011
    2011/12 8666.667 =(11000*5/12)+(7000*7/12)
    2012/13 7764.706 =11000*12/17
    2013/14 8000 =8000 Actual profit for year ending 30th June 2013

    Hope it does make sense to you now.

    Regards
    Raj

    January 19, 2012 at 10:45 am #92922
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    thx for your help, ill print the rest off, and will get beck to it..ive had to move on lol !!!
    🙂

    January 19, 2012 at 10:50 am #92923
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    im going on holiday next month for 3 weeks, and wana cover it all b4 i go lol
    🙂

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