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Thinking to move to p7 and quit with p5 (failed 6times )

Forums › Ask ACCA Tutor Forums › Ask the Tutor ACCA AAA Exams › Thinking to move to p7 and quit with p5 (failed 6times )

  • This topic has 7 replies, 2 voices, and was last updated 8 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • January 17, 2017 at 12:40 pm #367908
    afshan mulani
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    Hi guys and dear Mr.tutor

    need your thorough advise please , i have been writing p5 without gap since jun14 and still dint cleared ,now according to acca diet – june17 would be my last try to qualify ACCA otherwise all 3 Ps paper i need to reattempt (God For bid)

    Please advise is this worth a decision to take p7 in this march17.

    And if I attempt what should be my strategy to pass p7 in 1st attempt .

    FYI – i have downloaded all the open tuition with me

    Mr.Mike Plz Help as im nearly in a drowning situation πŸ™

    Regards,

    Afshan

    January 17, 2017 at 1:39 pm #367920
    MikeLittle
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    First things first – I trust that the ‘drowning situation’ comment was merely a bit of hyperbole and that you are not seriously thinking of suicide

    Assuming that your comment was simply an indication of your frustration following a series of adverse results, let’s see how we can move you forward and reduce the probability of a resit of three more P level papers

    We have just 7 weeks before the March exam session starts so you will need to start, at the very latest, tomorrow

    You give no indication as to whether you are a full time student, a mother, a full time employee, a semi-professional footballer, a home carer for your ancient grand-mother … so I have no idea of your personal circumstances

    You may therefore need to tailor the advice to fit your particular situation

    Get hold of a P7 revision kit from a reputable publisher (BPP or Kaplan are the normal 2 to think about)

    That will presumably take some time to arrive at your home so, in the meantime, download a couple of past exams from the internet, questions and answers

    Whatever the source of the material, start reading question, then answer, question, then answer, and so on …

    … and on …

    … and on …

    Don’t try to learn or memorise the answers. Just read, repeatedly

    When a revision kit arrives at your home, read from start to finish, every question, every answer

    You should be able to read it (as though it were a novel) in no longer than 1 week and hopefully in just 3, 4 or 5 days

    Do this 4 or 5 times in the next 5 weeks up to, say, 20 February and then post again for part 2 of the advice

    Whilst the material is being printed from the internet, look up my examination technique article (P7 page, scroll down to near the bottom, click on the examination technique article) and read it

    In addition, there are 2 other articles by members of the P4 marking team that say effectively the same as I do but if three of us say it you may believe it!

    Furthermore, read the examiner’s own comments from the last three years as well as technical articles for P7 also for the last three years

    Preparation for P7 is essentially read, read, and then read again

    And when you have read the revision kit 3 times, read it again for another three times

    You will be so incredibly bored by this but it really is a very effective way of digesting the sort of answer that will score marks (ignore the fact that the printed solutions are always way too long and way too detailed)

    Pay particular attention to the requirement verbs used and the style of the answers.

    Watch out to see how the printed solutions quote expressions from the question scenaria and the importance of dates and of materiality

    Printed solutions often are written using the first person singular (I, me and my) and the question will not unusually say that “You are the auditor …” and “You are required to …” seemingly inviting the use of that first person singular

    Personally, I find that the resultant style is immature and lacking professionalism, but I’ll leave you to make your own decision about that – it won’t be a deal breaker either way

    So, get to it, and I’ll expect to hear from you after February 20

    OK?

    January 18, 2017 at 11:02 am #368141
    afshan mulani
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    Dear Mr.Mike

    Thanks so much for your deep and sincere concern , not suiciding but almost at my draining stage I’m I swear .

    Anyway Mr. Mike for your information im a mother full time employee and a complete responsible person of house chaos ,that means no break and relieve from daily life :I

    but yes im planning to study during office working hours daily for 3 hrs i hope i could do that .

    Also ive downloaded all the chapter notes n past pprs from dec2013

    so one chap a day and at least one question
    is it okay according to your experience ?

    And yes ill be continuously gonna bug you with my queries πŸ˜‰

    Please let me know is this plan finds you appropriate with no direct tutor and supervision around.

    Regards

    Afshan

    January 18, 2017 at 11:36 am #368146
    MikeLittle
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    ‘so one chap a day and at least one question’ – you could read start to finish in those course notes in just over 2 hours!

    Try this:

    course notes this evening
    tomorrow during the day, spend 3 hours reading past exam questions and answers
    course notes on Friday
    Saturday and Sunday spend time with family
    Monday course notes
    Tuesday reading questions and answers
    Wednesday course notes
    Thursday questions and answers
    Friday course notes (for the last time)

    Saturday and Sunday spend time with family
    Monday through Friday reading questions and answers

    Saturday and Sunday spend time with family
    Monday through Friday reading questions and answers

    Saturday and Sunday spend time with family
    Monday through Friday reading questions and answers

    Saturday and Sunday spend time with family
    Monday through Friday reading questions and answers

    and repeat up to February 20 and then post again

    You should be able to get through a revision kit / exam kit once every 4 days or past papers, one each evening but don’t get uptight if you find that’s too much … just do what you can (no one can ask more of you than that)

    OK?

    January 18, 2017 at 11:42 am #368147
    afshan mulani
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    Do you loads of my friends still discouraging me saying not to jump p7 as i dont have any practical experience in auditing .

    also i have done my p2 in dec 2008 and f8 in 2009 dec

    so i wont be able to handle this very difficult subject

    is this logical according to your perception ( keeping in mind p5 failed 6 times πŸ™ ) ??

    Please advise im very confused Mike
    plz help

    January 18, 2017 at 12:52 pm #368160
    MikeLittle
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    Then try P5 again – go for 7-up!

    As the saying goes ‘It it still works, why change it’ or ‘Why change a winning formula?’

    Oh, wait a minute – it isn’t working is it!

    If you wish to follow the advice of loads of your friends, then do so

    But know this!

    There are thousands of students that have no auditing experience – literally thousands – that pass these exams. In fact, it’s probably the ones that DO have auditing experience that have a greater chance of failing!

    My (hateful) audit manager at work, many many years ago, decided that it would be a good idea if he qualified as a chartered accountant. He went on a Kaplan course to prepare for those exams – in those days you had to take 5 exams in 2.5 days and you had to pass them all in that one sitting – there was no concept of one-at-a-time, no referrals. If you failed one, you had to resit all 5

    My detestful audit manager (I still hate the memory of him after all these years!) passed 4 and failed 1

    And what was it he failed? Auditing!

    I have said consistently over many years, the key to passing the audit exam is a solid application of common sense and an ability to be imaginative in your answers

    This exam needs no university degree nor any audit experience with a big 4 firm. You are an under-graduate of the university of life! Apply your knowledge of the world around you when you are looking at audit questions

    When you have planned an answer to an audit question, check your plan against the printed solution and recognise just how many simple points are raised in the answer that you knew … but you hadn’t thought of in your plan (this planning exercise is part of the advice for the period after 20 February so don’t try it just yet)

    Of all these loads of friends that have advised you to stick with P56, how many of them have failed P5 six times?

    Go ahead, listen to them if you wish … but don’t let a fear of the unknown put you off P7. That would be the same as a child, when offered food that the child has never before experienced, claiming that they don’t like (say) oranges and, when asked why, they say that they’ve never had oranges before

    The choice is yours – let me know what you decide!

    January 18, 2017 at 1:35 pm #368171
    afshan mulani
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    alright !! πŸ™‚

    being a child im gonna experience oranges for the 1st time.

    Let see how it will go n end up !

    Allah Kareem .

    thanks Mike to bear wd me until this long!

    January 18, 2017 at 7:39 pm #368225
    MikeLittle
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    No worries! Let’s do it!!!!!

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