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the difference between PBIT and net profit before tax margin

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  • This topic has 2 replies, 2 voices, and was last updated 7 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • May 19, 2017 at 4:37 pm #386890
    kengara
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    I do not know why i can not post question here

    Hi my DEAR and GREAT TUTOR, I really confuse when i face these two ratios.

    the question has been taken from Bpp test bank page number 76 and 77

    Could you please explain it in-depth, because it is important for me

    By the way i have exam on June 6th

    Woodbank’s p/l at 31 MArch 20×4

    20X4
    Under P/L
    Revenue -150000
    cost of sales-117000
    GP-33000
    finance cost-1750
    Profit before tax-16250

    Equity-80000
    RE-15000
    Non-current liability-55000(5000 belong to woodbank without shaw when acquired Shaw 50million loan note is added over 5000 which became 55000)

    total-150000

    On 1 January 20X4, Woodbank purchased the trading assets and operations of Shaw for $50 million and, on the same date, issued extra 10%loan notes to finance purchase.

    Shaw p/l 31 March 20X4
    Revenue-30000
    cost of sales-(21000)
    GP-9000
    Distribution Cost-(2000)
    Administrative Expense (2000)

    if i put here 5000 finance cost it will be zero

    Without Shaw
    18000-5000(loan note interest when acquired shaw)/95000+5000(55000 loan note-50000 loan note took for Shaw acquisition)*100%=13%

    Coming to the next example, the question has been taken from bpp page number 198 mock exam 2

    Harbin 20×7
    P/L
    Revenue-250000
    cost of sales-(200000)
    GP-50000
    Operating expenses-(26000)
    Finance cost-(8000)
    Pofit before tax-16000
    income tax (25%)-4000-20×6(2000)

    2000+4000=6000*25%=1500
    6000-1500=5500

    Equity-100000
    RE-14000
    Non-current liability-100000

    Harbin purchased fatima for $100million, financed by the issue of $ 100,000 8% loan notes.

    fatima p/l
    Revenue-70000
    cost of sales-40000
    GP-30000
    Operating expense-8000
    profit before tax-22000

    Without Shaw
    18000-5000(PBIT) (loan note interest when acquired shaw)/95000+5000(55000 loan note-50000 loan note took for Shaw acquisition)*100%=13%

    In the first example, the company’s has not had profit before tax amount, probably it was zero if we add 5000 under p/l of shaw , that is why only 5000 deducted from profit before and tax amount.

    Without Fatima
    profit before tax=(16000+8000)=24000-22000=(2000)/250000-70000*100%=1.1%

    in the second example, fatima had 22000 profit before tax that is why it deducted from

    or it could be solved in another way 22000 profit before tax -interest 8000 of fatima=14000

    then deduct it from only profit before tax of Harbin 16000-14000=2000

    in both case it will give 2000

    comparing these two examples did i get it right?

    When i find ROCE

    Without fatima
    16000+8000=24000-22000/”114000-(22000-5500)”*100%

    ”114000-(22000-5500)”-i did not understand this part?

    Without Shaw

    ROCE

    150000-30000/150000-50000 loan note -i uderstood this part but the above.

    May 19, 2017 at 9:02 pm #387058
    MikeLittle
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    I’m not sure what your question is here!

    It would be easier (for both you and for me) if you were to give me a question name and / or an examination reference and then spell out very clearly exactly what your question is

    Let’s try that with this one and save me having to try and piece together your posted figures!

    May 29, 2017 at 7:56 am #388695
    MikeLittle
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    You never came back to me on this thread – I left it open for 10 days but clearly you didn’t want to.

    In fact, as I remember, you posted the whole thing again on a new thread so I’m now closing this one

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