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Substantive procedures.

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  • This topic has 5 replies, 2 voices, and was last updated 9 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • March 23, 2016 at 12:18 pm #307957
    hisham503
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    Plz define the “substantive test of details” and how it is different from substantive procedure.

    March 23, 2016 at 2:57 pm #307983
    MikeLittle
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    Where have you read the expression “substantive test of details”?

    I hope that it’s not one of mine, neither in the notes nor in the lectures

    March 23, 2016 at 3:44 pm #307989
    hisham503
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    Yes you are right, it is not in note.
    I read it in Kaplan, Chapter 11.

    March 23, 2016 at 4:00 pm #307990
    MikeLittle
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    Thank Heavens for that!

    Now, let me see if I can’t make a stab at understanding it …… substantive testing is where we are seeking to establish any one of the assertions for the statement of financial position or the statement of profit or loss

    We will be looking at material matters from those draft statements and concentrating on “proving” the likely reliability of the client’s figures

    This is distinct from the tests of control that we would likely have carried out on the interim audit to determine whether the internal control system is likely strong enough for us to be able to rely upon it and thus reduce the extent of our substantive procedures whilst still getting to a “happy” position re the values in the draft statements

    Now, “substantive test of details” looks to me like a mis-type of “detailed substantive tests”. IF (capital “IF”) that’s a correct assessment of mine, then “substantive test of details” will be looking for the audit steps to be carried out to substantiate the figures (looking at contracts to confirm values, scrutinising board minutes to confirm authority, examining the cash records to confirm payments, seeking and reviewing third party confirmations to confirm existence and valuation of balances ….. and many others

    IF (again, a big IF) my assessment is incorrect, I can’t imagine what Kaplan are getting at without seeing the expression in its full context and even then I could be struggling!

    Does that help?

    March 23, 2016 at 7:34 pm #308013
    hisham503
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    Yes it help me. 🙂
    The explanation you give fit in the context and now after this i also get the kaplan expression
    and kaplan is using “Substantive test of details”.

    THANK YOU 🙂

    March 24, 2016 at 10:05 am #308082
    MikeLittle
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    You’re welcome

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