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- September 29, 2015 at 4:59 pm #274120
All those can join n comment who have concerns regarding thr result withheld n rap referred to ACO
September 30, 2015 at 1:11 pm #274244@vinessen – it is impossible to give you an exact time frame. I understand that all cases will be looked at by an ACO officer who will contact you with details of their and the marker’s concerns regarding the originality of your work. You will be asked to provide information and answer their questions so that they can reach a decision about how your case should be treated. My advice is to be helpful and truthful -if you used someone else’s work to help you, confess at the start as the penalty will be less severe. Lack of cooperation by a student or anyone persistently trying to lie their way out of this will tend to be viewed as evidence of intent to deceive and incur a higher penalty. So the more helpful you are the quicker the process.
There will always be some students ‘innocently’ caught up in these cases e.g. someone gained access to their work or their mentor helped them actually put the work together e.g. did the spreadsheet or provided a template for the Presentation. Students may not have realised that this is against the rules. My advice again is provide the facts of what happened and you stand a better chance of coming out of this well.
Yes this is a stressful process so all I can say is if you are completely innocent you will be exonerated and if you know you bent the rules fess up when they write to you so that you can put an end to the stress.
PS You may be interested to read the comments made by feiza1
https://opentuition.com/topic/obu-rap-period-30-results/page/7/
as this student went through the ACO and is basically offering the same advice 🙂
October 5, 2015 at 11:48 pm #275098This is a very stressing phase of my life being referred to an ACO is worst than even failing
October 10, 2015 at 11:04 am #275738@nadia – I am sure it is but try to forget about it for now and co-operate when contacted so that you can get this off your back.
I understand that the ACO should be contacting each student affected in the next few weeks seeking further information. As previously stated – the best way to end the stress is to give them all the information they ask for and ‘come clean’ if you did do anything ‘shady’. If you are innocent they can then clear you. If your mentor or someone else wrote the RAP for you, or you used another student’s work (including the SLS) it is better to own up sooner rather than later – they will know if you copied anyway as Turnitin will have indicated all the passages copied (and identified who it has been copied from too).
Apparently the longer it all goes on and more protracted it becomes the greater the stress and the worse the final outcome. An honest confession and apology avoids the worst penalty – your case being forwarded for a full University Misconduct Committee hearing. I have no personal experience of this but I know from something similar I once attended it must be harrowing for the student as you would in effect be on trial and questioned live by legal professionals (via Skype if necessary). I am reliably told that this is most distressing – someone from the Academic Conduct Office told me that even she found it very upsetting (and she of course was not the person being interrogated) that most students break down in tears and that it is just a horrible experience for everyone. ACCA are always informed of instances of UMC hearings and may also take action.
For anyone reading this and contemplating not doing the RAP work for yourself – think again – you could live to regret it – as @nadia says better to fail than become an ACO case.
So everyone who is an ACO case – chill if you are innocent and fess up if you are guilty – my final word on the subject to anyone personally involved.
October 10, 2015 at 1:24 pm #275758Hi same to me.
Being so impatient about any incoming mail hoping i will be contacted ASAP.
Please if anyone get contacted i will be glad to know , All the same am hopeful and pray it doesn’t take long.October 13, 2015 at 8:01 pm #276221AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Hello,i got email today from my assigned ACO,saying he will endeavor to settle the issue as soon as he can.Email subject was RAP originality checking,he didn’t ask me to submit anything or respond but to just wait.Anyone knows what that means?
October 15, 2015 at 9:51 pm #276571@doeen, hi there your ACO should contact you back in a few days n tell you why you are upheld for this. He might say you have 40% plagiarism as per turnitin. And you need to justify that by telling him how you did your research.
Please let everyone know about any further emails.
RegardsOctober 18, 2015 at 12:33 pm #276981AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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I also recieved the same mail, and my frnd rcvd mail of 40% plagiurism , wt does this mean??
October 18, 2015 at 3:07 pm #277014All I know is that there are several ACO Officers and they probably conduct the process slightly differently e.g. some send out a preliminary email just to say they will be looking at the case and will be emailing again when they have done their investigation, whereas others do not make contact until they have done the initial investigation and just email the student the details e.g. the evidence of 40% plagiarism above (which means that Turnitin identified their work as being 40% the same as other students’ work and / or sources on the database – this could be books, journals and internet articles)
Someone sent me this once from the email they had from their case officer: “Cases vary in complexity and the time required for investigation and evidence gathering and therefore I am unable to give an exact time period for when I shall be able in a position to present you with the results of my preliminary investigations.” However it seems that some students are now receiving these type of details.
October 18, 2015 at 10:04 pm #277051AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Any one rcvd futher mails?
October 19, 2015 at 6:57 am #277286Hello All,
I received same from ACO, an intro email telling me he was the one doing my investigation.Later another email , Content: …..% plagiarism…and required a couple of clarifications from me on my RAP before a specific date.
Waiting! Waiting!! Anxiously!!!. I am patient but still impatiently!!!! waiting!!!!!.October 19, 2015 at 2:43 pm #277543hi Trephena sory for this late reply having problm with my laptop…i do get a mail from ACO he said he is looking into my case because there had been a doubt during the marking about my project’s originality..as far as my progect is concerned I did it on my own 200% sure i ddnt used or copied anyone’s progects…all my research and informations i used were on my own…anyway will revert back as soon as i got another mail from the ACO..
October 20, 2015 at 12:09 am #277696@vinessen – if you did the work yourself then you should have nothing to worry about. There are various things that can flag a referral to the ACO. Even if a student has done the work themselves if they have copied and pasted direct citations from online sources and another student has used the same source and done the same then the electronic checking system would spot the similarities and indicate that their work is copied. This is why referencing is so important and also why you should try to paraphrase rather than copy and paste as I point out in my article on Referencing.
The other thing that can trigger a referral is the student thinks they did the work themselves but the mentor helped them. Never let the mentor edit your work – I have heard that some mentors are suspected of writing bits of students work and if you use one of those mentors your chances of referral increase…
The ACO usually ask in depth questions about how you went about your work and expect to see drafts. These are crucial to show that you did the work yourself (and anyone saying that they have lost their USB stick and don’t have any drafts and notes anymore won’t wash – these guys have been marking for years and have heard all the excuses in the book by now !)
October 24, 2015 at 1:14 am #278645AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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26% overall nd 20 % relting to SLS look like other, what does dis mean
October 24, 2015 at 8:49 am #278689Means most of your SLS is not original. I thought they sent you a copy of the Turnitin report and if so the coloured passages show the sentences and passages that the system has recognised from previous submitted SLSs. Did your mentor lend you and others examples of SLSs?
October 24, 2015 at 6:04 pm #278742Dear trephena,
I’ve received an email from my ACO, it states that my SLS has matched with another student as turnitin report has identified it as 3% plagiarism. Except that all that research was my own work.
I know some how i ended up copying it form some online forum. I am also aware that other then accepting it i don’t have a choice.
I would like to ask what could be the possible outcomes after accepting.October 25, 2015 at 1:45 am #278785@sunny45 – ok let’s first look at the facts. 3% plagiarism score would have been calculated on the total number of words in your submission (report + SLS) so roughly 3% equates to 285 words (assuming you used the maximum number of words but in terms of the SLS is about 14% if this was 2,000 words. (Did they send you a copy of the Turnitin report by the way? ) Although it was serious enough to refer to the ACO if this was the only reason for referral then it is more hopeful for you in terms of potential outcome.
Next what are you up against? Some of the ACO officers are ‘tough cookies’ – they have seen it all before and heard every excuse going so personally I think anyone who thinks they can lie their way out and take on an ACO Officer is likely to come off worse. Also these guys and dolls don’t take kindly to students playing them for the fool! Also lying if you are found out incurs a penalty in addition to the charge of plagiarism.
So what would I advise: make a confession along the lines of the one you made above. If you got the Turnitin report it should be obvious that your statement about the research is true and your report I trust is proof of it (the T. Report should only be showing minor matches to referenced sources which you can ignore – or the odd one or two you forgot to reference and maybe some very minor matches to other students)
So the penalties: essentially they have to issue some penalty but this tends to be based on a combination of how ‘hard’ a student makes it for them e.g. holding out and protesting innocence in the light of mounting evidence that they are guilty, the severity of the initial offence and any mitigating factors e.g. an honest confession. The worst I think you would get IF your only offence is 14% plagiarised SLS and you own up straight off and plead you were negligent in using the internet source is probably a zero grade. This effectively means they fail you and you get no feedback and it counts as a submission. They could insist you change topic and company for you next submission or it might be slightly lighter and they allow you to resubmit on the same topic & company.
At the other end of the scale if they are convinced a student is guilty and persists in lying it is both reported to ACCA and referred upwards to the University’s Misconduct Committee. The UMC is a quasi-legal process and the student is cross-examined like in a court (over Skype if living overseas) I understand that the chances of coming out of the UMC unscathed are slim as the evidence of guilt is usually insurmountable I am told students end up distraught and there are financial penalties and they could also face an ACCA disciplinary hearing. If anyone finds the referral to the ACO harrowing it seems they ain’t seen nothing yet in terms of stress compared with what will be in store if it goes to the UMC – hence my advice is always fess up, accept the consequences and put an end to the misery.
October 28, 2015 at 5:34 am #279339Dear trephena, just received a mail from the ACO…stating that my RAP has …% including my SLS..moreover he said that ” I am attaching a copy of your Turnitin report so that you can see the scale of the apparent plagiarism (sections highlighted in different colours)”.. but i got only the letter outlining the concern about the originality of my RAP. i had not received any TURNITIN REPORT showing me the sclae of the apparent plagiarism meaning the sections highlighted in different colours. what should i do?..should i send the ACO a mail and ask for the turnitin report?
kindly advicethanks
October 28, 2015 at 3:08 pm #279396@vinessen – of course you should respond and say that you did not receive the Turnitin report (as otherwise you cannot comment on the similarities). I expect they forgot to attach it but if you politely point out that you haven’t got this with the email I am sure it will be sent.
The report shows all the sources (some of these should be fine if you have referenced properly so you can ignore). It is the match to student papers you need to concern yourself with – these will be in different colours depending on how much has come from each source (according to the program). As I mentioned in my earlier post if students use the same source then it will often match it. The SLS should in theory have very few matches apart from the questions and the occasional phrase as it is supposed to be unique to each student’s experience.
October 29, 2015 at 4:21 am #279459HI Trephena,
i got the Turnitn report from the ACO. can you explain me how it work this report.
all I’m seeing is lots of different types of colors highlighted in the report. I seen some paragraph in my analysis which i had written by myself has been highlighted. can you please explain me in details what does these colors means. I’m really confused right now.Thanks & Regards
October 29, 2015 at 8:47 am #279498@vinessen – Obviously I can only comment on from what I know about this program and they may have used a different version/ or report format from what I have seen but usually every source is shown in a different colour/ shade. The largest match will always be shown in red and each time this source is appears it is prefixed by a red number 1, the second largest match is in green and passages will be prefixed by a green 2 and third largest in blue and they have a blue 3 (then there will be other colours for smaller percentage matches each with a different number).
There should either be a section at the beginning or the end of the report that shows the overall score and then this is broken down into percentages for Internet sources, publications and student papers, followed by a list that breaks down the sources with a score for each source.
If your work is a resubmission then the red text would normally be matches the system has found to your previous submission(s) so obviously this would not be wrong but lots of red would be suspicious in a first submission. Text that the system believes is original is shown as black text. So any sources given a large percentage in the breakdown other than to your own previous work are probably what the ACO are interested in, or if your Turntin report is coloured like a rainbow. In this last case even if each source is listed with a low individual score the fact that there is so much colour indicates that the sentences and passages have been taken from elsewhere (and where there is a bit of text in say orange followed by a couple of words in black and then more orange it tells them that the student has just substituted a word or two here or there but essentially has imported the passage from the source identified by the prefix for the orange source).
What I am saying is that students who think they can make up a story and say they just looked a someone’s work for a few ideas just won’t wash – the evidence of similarities when the percentages are large is more or less proof that they couldn’t have just ‘looked’ but copied or reworded.
You probably don’t need to worry too much about the publications score (this represents books and journals) – focus on internet and student papers and the red, green and blue text. If they have sent you the detailed individual breakdown this may show you the actual source it has matched your work to but normally unless they have told you the student reg. no. you can’t tell who it is (but they can).
The other thing that you won’t be able to see/do from the report (but they can do on the program) is call up the other papers your work is matched to and I think they can actually then view them side by side and see exactly who the other student is. They also of course have full electronic copies of everyone’s submissions that they can call up and see everything that student has ever submitted (you have to agree when you submit that the University can retain your papers) so they can then compare reference lists, spreadsheets and Presentations.
October 30, 2015 at 6:41 am #279648I still havnt received any email from my ACO, is this normal for them to take this long?
October 30, 2015 at 9:58 pm #279713Hi Trephena,
I received a mail from ACO and they are saying overall match is 38% but they have highlighted two names to which one is 18% and 4% match.
The 18% match is to someone i know but i have not copied his work at all. Although we had same companies but i have done all my research work myself.
I have evidences to proof that. Only question i want to ask you is that should i mention that i know him?
Pls help me. Thanks in advance.October 30, 2015 at 10:38 pm #279715@uzma8814 – did you copy and paste passages from articles into your report? This is bad academic practice (as I point out in my article on Referencing). This then becomes a problem if another student has done the same as Turnitin will have seen the similar passages and matched each of these passages and you find youself in the situation you now find yourself in. There is also a potential problem if you have the same mentor as it will look like the mentor assisted you both. Do you see the problem now that copying and pasting passages into your work causes? Did you reference them all?
In your case say you did the research yourself, send examples that relate to some of the longest passages to show this. Admit you did not realise that you should not have taken passages straight from the source but you now realise that you should have expressed the passages in your own words and where you were using these quotations you should have made sure you used quotation marks like “this” to show the words were not yours. Hope for the best you might just then be failed for bad academic practice or academic negligence.
If you really didn’t’ use the other guy’s work then you shouldn’t say anything but if you did then own up as the sooner you do so normally the less severe the penalty.
If you have the examples from your research for most of the passages you may be ok. If the passages are in the SLS then this is far harder to prove because how come the passages are the same? Your statement should be unique to you and only a few sentences here and there realistically would be the same.
October 30, 2015 at 10:55 pm #279717@trephena. Thanks for your reply.
No we had different mentors. Only one article i took from the same source. Rest all referencing used was different. Yes i did use some passages and rephrased them. Basically only the intro part.
Is that a big problem now?
For sls, i did some rephrasing as we living in same country faced same limitations.
But rest of my research work was my own.
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