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@ehsan, Oo i know about that stuff but i dont wanto jeopardize my case. the last saved date is when I made the thesis in may. thats fine but the last saved by is different.
I have an option in my file to remove the last saved name from the details. Just to be sure I might remove them.
Never knew I had to work hard on this thing after putting all my efforts in making a good thesis
That would certainly change your modification date, Its your call, do what you think is less risky.
Regards
I m posting the update so far on my case.
I sent them all the drafts I had and the mentors communication and emailed them mentioning that my turnitin report shows that 5% plagiarism is for the footer only and if I remove the footer it will be less than 1%.
I got a reply back that I have done a survey and showed the results in Appendix but havent used discuss anything in RAP. she wanted me to explain that.
I have responded to her email as well and now waiting again and hoping for the best.
Thanks guys for all the support
Thanks for keeping us updated @shay 88. In most respects as far as an ACO case this sounds very hopeful.
You don’t say which topic you did but if the survey was integral then a marker might fail on not using it appropriately e.g. with T6. If T17 or T20 then a survey is usually superfluous and with T18 it is debatable whether a survey is needed or not. To a certain extent it depends on the rest of the evaluation /analysis and whether that has met the criteria for a pass.
If you are exonerated then you get the marker feedback sheet as the marker will have either already passed or failed your work. The ACO apparently will normally not interfere with this unless something comes to light in their investigation and they can then turn a pass to a fail (but not the other way round as all fails will have been checked by a moderator [senior marker] and the ACO are not assessing against the pass criteria just evaluating whether the work was done in accordance with the rules)
Hi @Trephena,
I have received the result with following letter.
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The coursework you have submitted for assessment for the Research and Analysis Project was been referred to me for investigation because of concerns about its originality.1. Your project was passed through Turnitin and a final overall match of 13% was identified.
Having closely examined the evidence available to me, I have concluded that the match may be due to poor academic practice rather than misconduct. I am not wholly satisfied with the evidence you presented and I have some concerns regarding the authorship of the work. I strongly advise you in future not to use material from a source. However, I am able to inform you that you have been exonerated and I will be advising the admin office to release your result.
———————————————————————————————————————-I m not sure what does this poor academic practice mean and not wholly satisfied with the evidence. Secondly, would there be a change in grade or exonerated means I will get the result that was originally awarded?
Thanks.
I forgot to mention my topic again. It was T18 and my company was Nestle
I have received the result with following letter.
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The coursework you have submitted for assessment for the Research and Analysis Project was been referred to me for investigation because of concerns about its originality.1. Your project was passed through Turnitin and a final overall match of 13% was identified.
Having closely examined the evidence available to me, I have concluded that the match may be due to poor academic practice rather than misconduct. I am not wholly satisfied with the evidence you presented and I have some concerns regarding the authorship of the work. I strongly advise you in future not to use material from a source. However, I am able to inform you that you have been exonerated and I will be advising the admin office to release your result.
———————————————————————————————————————-I m not sure what does this poor academic practice mean and not wholly satisfied with the evidence. Secondly, would there be a change in grade or exonerated means I will get the result that was originally awarded?
Thanks.
First of all congratulations, on being exonerated! Now, though ACO won’t change your grade, but you might have failed, as stated poor referencing. So, be ready for that.
And, keep us informed too.
Regards
I was excited about a while ago but again after seeing your response, I m back to the same old grumpy feelings. Are you sure its a fail for poor referencing. I m not sure why is not she convinced if I have given her every draft I had plus the total was 13% from atleast 40 references. I dont think it should fall under poor referencing as mostly were referenced.
I didn’t mean you will definitely fail, but she mentioned poor referencing which is more than probable..
I think you just copied and pasted text from source to project directly, which is bad.
@shay88 – as I explained above the ACO do not normally interfere with the marker’s decision. What your officer was saying is that she did not think you had done anything dishonest (i.e. deliberately copied) so she was exomerating you. Normally now you just get the feedback/ mark sheet – what you would have got if there had been no referral in the first place.
The marker/ moderator had obviously had doubts about your work -the reason it was referred. Very occasionally if the Turnitin score is high but the marker just referred but did not fail, the ACO officers (who are all very senior markers) can if there has been a lot of copying and pasting decide it constitutes what is called ‘bad academic practice’ ( not enough paraphrasing and use of own words -see Golden Rule no. 10 in my article on Referencing where I explain this) and the marker really should have failed it. Then they may change the result to a fail. However I would NOT expect this for a 13% score but one over 30% might be more likely. So chill baby, chill -and let @Ehsan And me know the final outcome 🙂
@Trephena, Thanks for your post. It calmed me down.
I am definitely going to inform you what ever happens. Hopefully expecting an email by tomorrow.
Hi @trephena,
It been almost 10 days and I have not received any mail for releasing my result. Does it normally takes this time or should I be contacting someone?
Thanks
I was thinking we hadn’t heard back from you! I can’t really say. I suppose it depends on the ACO workload. Normally you should get a decision letter and depending on the decision they then release the result or tell you.
If you are exonerated then you get the mark sheet (so you get whatever grade the original marker gave it), but if the decision is malpractice or above you don’t get any feedback. This is because normally it means a zero grade (a fail in everything) and as there were irregularities the original feedback is deemed invalid (so I presume you are just told this).
For academic negligence [bad academic practice] normally it will either have already been failed on at least [6] referencing (possibly on Evaluation too) or the ACO will change any pass on [6] to a fail as academic negligence means although there was no intention to cheat you have not acknowledged sources so technically it is plagiarism. However with negligence you still get the feedback.
I did hear something about not releasing exonerated results where students have failed during the current submission period as otherwise they might rush to resubmit and not spend enough time doing adequate revisions but as mentioned previously it may just be your officer is tied up with other cases.
I have not received any email yet but I check at obusubmission website and my results have been released.
My RAP has been passed with a grade B andI have been awarded a BSc (Hons) in Applied Accounting degree First Class Honours.
Big shout out to you guys. You have been really helpful in keeping me calm in this tough situation.
Thank you both the mods for all the guidance.
Big Cheer.
Congratulations, that’s a big news.
After all the patience has resulted in a sweet fruit.
Enjoy.
Many, many congratulations @shay88 ! Worth the wait, pity about the stress in between (but am sure this will soon be forgotten as you celebrate). 😀 Also good for future ACO cases who come here and read stories like yours.
If you have acted honestly it is normally apparent and you will be exonerated and we are glad to help on here and explain parts of the process.
( However those who know they have copied and got someone else to do their work will not get our sympathy vote – as we don’t support anyone who has cheated – you got what you deserved if you have been caught by the ACO while others have worked hard for their degree)
Thank you guyz and now I can get my CPA Canada which was pending because of this.
And yea students should not be worried if they have not plagiarized or has some one to do their work. These ACOs are experienced enough to differentiate between a mistake and a deliberate copy-paste.
Cheers Mates!
Hi all,
This was my second submission at first i failed the project (Topic 8) and due to various reasons such as poof referencing and incomplete financial analysis.
After so much effort i have worked on topic number 17 and i dont even know why they have deferred my results. Internet is the only resource that we can use for obtaining information required for the project. As far as i know i have done my best and i have taken so much effort and spent money for re submission fees aswell.
Has anyone else been though this hurdle?
Hi @trephena
I am really worried as my result is witheld. I am 100% certain i didn’t copy anything. I put quotations and a paraphrased everything. Nothing in my RAP is without a reference in the reference list.
I do have a lot of sources and i gathered a lot of different information so i don’t know.
For SLS… everything is my individual experience but of course it’s not my fault if people had the same experience as me. Or if i noticed i had the same experience as them. However every single thing is personalised.
I don’t know if i should start preparing another RAP for the next submission or wait for my result which i don’t even know when it will come!
Pleas read through the last 3 or 4 pages above. If there is nothing wrong you will eventually be cleared – it may be too much copying and pasting of internet material. Beyond a certain percentage this becomes an academic offence (malpractice). Sometimes work is deferred if the moderator believes the mentor has committed an offence then occasionally all their students’ work is then looked at (i e. Deferred) This can be where spreadsheets and presentations are considered too similar.
According to my marker friend she had a case where a student used his nickname on his computer files and had got his own registration number wrong so it looked like he had taken the work from someone else!
If you suspect it could be too much copying and pasting read the section on Malpractice in the Information Pack and look at Golden Rule No. 10 in the Open Tuition Ultimate Guide to Referencing your RAP on our homepage http://www.opentuition.com/obu
Read through the experience of shay88 above. If you have done nothing wrong and all the work is yours then you will be exonerated.
The SLS experiences at be similar but people express them differently so there would only be matches where someone has engaged in copying and rewording (in which case the ACO send you the Turnitin report to show you and you can see from this the amount for yourself).
Try not to worry – see the case regarding the nickname -my friend also said she had a similar case where a female student’s father called the home computer after the family dog and she wondered why the girl’s work was all done by Shenney Boy!
If you are innocent your result will be released after they have contacted you and you would be given a further resubmission attempt in P35 as long as you were eligible to submit in P34 if your 10 year period expires before November so do not panic about rushing to do a new RAP at this stage. (Normally I think they try to process those closer to the 10 year expiry first but I cannot be sure).
Try not to worry -easier said than done I know 🙂
Thanks. What do you mean by too much copy paste of internet material? I didn’t copy paste anything. I also used very few quotes. Like maybe 2-3 max short sentences which were essential.
How long does it take for the ACO to respond with his/her queries? Given that this is my 2nd attempt and i have paid for mentor and acca re submission again. Its so depressing with all the efforts and time off from work to complete the project is all going in vain. I tried changing the topic this time as i felt i would do better on a different topic. I would rather do a degree from other universities where i know my hard work and effort will pay off if i fail:(
Thanks. What do you mean by too much copy paste of internet material? I didn’t copy paste anything. I also used very few quotes. Like maybe 2-3 max short sentences which were essential.
@trephenaI can only comment generally on what are the ‘usual’ problems. I am told that before anyone is deferred (unless the issue lies with the mentor) at least 2 senior markers make the decision to refer it to the ACO and it is based on some initial evidence that the content is not entirely the student’s original own work.
All UK Universities are regulated about the integrity of their degrees and the regulator has warned them that they must ensure that proper procedures are in place to stamp out plagiarism as it affects the quality assurance of all degrees awarded by UK universities.
If OBU did not investigate they would be failing in their legal duty. However if as you both insist that you are innocent, as with shay88 you will be cleared and given the result. Apparently 10% of submissions are referred (so upwards of 150 ACO cases each session) with the ACO working its way through them. As with everything I suppose it depends on the complexity of the case and the evidence.
As a general comment I have warned about ensuring you choose a reputable mentor – OBU has stripped students of the degree in cases where the mentors have provided sample files rather than just guidance. Ensure the mentor relationship complies with the Guidelines in the Information Pack and question any mentor who offers to give you files – they should be offering advice and correcting your work not replacement work.
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