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Query on NCI

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  • This topic has 9 replies, 2 voices, and was last updated 9 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • March 24, 2016 at 12:35 am #308044
    Vineeth
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    H acquired 60% of the 500,000 $1 shares in S for $470,000. At that date the S retained earnings were $200,000. Goodwill has been impaired
    by 40%
    if the directors valued the goodwill attributable to the nci at $15,000
    What would be the value of the NCI in this case?

    Would it be ((500,000+200,000)*40%)+15,000=295,000
    or ((500,000+200,000)*60%)+15,000=435,000

    I think it is the first one since it takes the NCI’s share of subsidary net assets
    But in the mini questions section they have taken H’s share of subsidary net assets
    Please let me know which is the correct one

    March 24, 2016 at 10:04 am #308081
    MikeLittle
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    Please give me a page reference / chapter reference / question number

    March 25, 2016 at 1:30 am #308147
    Vineeth
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    Page 201
    4. Goodwill Impairments
    Question1(c)
    Question2(c)
    Question3(c)

    The answer for the above questions are on page 230, 231 and 232

    March 25, 2016 at 10:30 am #308250
    MikeLittle
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    The questions ask you for the value of the goodwill, not the value of the nci!

    We can’t find the value of the nci because we don’t know the extent of the subsidiary post acquisition retained earnings

    March 28, 2016 at 1:16 am #308435
    Vineeth
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    Sorry.. The question asked us for the Goodwill. We need the NCI Investment valuation for the calculation of goodwill. So that’s the calculation I’m talking about which needs to be checked.

    March 28, 2016 at 7:38 am #308443
    MikeLittle
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    You don’t need the value of the nci investment! You are told that the nci GOODWILL is $XXX

    Therefore the nci investment value is equal to their proportionate share of fair valued net assets + their goodwill

    Have you not watched the lectures? I go through that in great detail within the lectures

    March 29, 2016 at 1:30 am #308529
    Vineeth
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    I don’t think you understood what I am asking for. The NCI’s proportionate share of fair value of net assets is what I am talking about here. I am writing the entire question and the answer as given in the notes.

    H acquired 60% of the 500,000 $1 shares in S for $470,000. At that date the S retained earnings were $200,000. Goodwill has been impaired by 40%
    Calculate the goodwill figure which will appear on the statement of financial position if the if the directors valued the goodwill attributable to the NCI at $15,000

    Answer given is as follows

    Cost of Investment 470,000

    NA@DOA 700,000
    H’s Share(60%) (420,000)
    Difference 50,000
    NCI Goodwill 15,000
    Total Goodwill 65,000
    Impairment (40%) (26,000)
    Net 39,000

    Now should that NA @ DOA be H’s share or NCI share? Don’t you think it should be NCI share of 40% rather than H’s share of 60%?

    March 29, 2016 at 8:43 am #308552
    MikeLittle
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    I fully understand your question!

    Let’s try it this way:

    Cost of acquisition 470,000
    Nci investment = proportional share of net assets + their share of goodwill
    (ie ((40% x 700,000) + 15,000) = 295,000

    Total value of investment in S is 470,000 + 295,000 = 765,000
    Value of net assets is 700,000
    So goodwill is 65,000
    It’s impaired by 40% ie by 26,000
    So goodwill in answer to the question is 39,000

    The answer that you have written above is correct. That answer is looking specifically at finding the goodwill attributable to the parent (50,000) and then adding on the nci goodwill (15,000 – given in the question)

    I ask again – have you watched the lectures where I go through this in detail?

    March 30, 2016 at 5:57 am #308648
    Vineeth
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    Thanks. Yes I have watched the lectures. Just got confused in the way they arrived at the answers.

    March 30, 2016 at 6:40 am #308650
    MikeLittle
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    You’re welcome

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