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- September 24, 2015 at 3:52 pm #273408
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I read with interest the new ACCA policy on publishing past exam papers. To say the least I think the amendments hinder a students progress and are very far from the ACCA statements that “We feel these changes highlight clearly the resources that add most value to students’ exam preparation and will ensure students use their study time most effectively”.
There is a distinct irony that we are drilled to review previous exam papers (which I completely agree with) yet the ACCA have decided in their infinite wisdom to reduce those resources available for review. In a recent article in PQ magazine they highlighted the number of students who are still PQ’s after 7 years – it seems odd to me that ACCA would wish to hinder progress of those qualifying by not being more amenable in provided all papers promptly with ALL questions. This should be after each sitting too – why limit to only two updates per annum and mix and match.
I’d be interested to hear other’s thoughts on this subject too.
Kind Regards
Chris
September 24, 2015 at 7:27 pm #273426First off, it’s really cool that students can do exams FOUR times a year. We’ve never had that flexibility before. There never has been the need before for ACCA to do this.
We also have a large selection of high quality question books providing loads of questions from 2005 or so, with more particularly from 2010 onwards. Question practice is vital, but we have enough material to work with to prepare for exams.
What we don’t know is how time-demanding and tough it is for ACCA to prepare and publish exams four times a year…and do whatever reviews and checks they do. It is a constant cycle of exams and I guess everyone needs a break and a bit of time to do things properly. If this is one of the compromises for students getting extra flexibility in exam sittings, I’m all for it.
I was dissapointed not to see the September exams as I wanted to check a few things, but I can understand that there must be good reasons why the papers weren’t published yet.
I don’t think the reason is that they want to re-use questions in some form. That wouldn’t be sensible.
September 25, 2015 at 9:34 am #273503I remain unconvinced that we should have to “sacrifice” one for another. One needs only to look at ACCA finances to understand it’s not a cost issue. In terms of time, it’s simply a case of adding each paper to the previous examinations page – it’s hardly rocket science. In terms of 4 sittings a year – long overdue and at long last on level terms with CIMA (more a commercial move). As these papers will become CBE in the next few years it’s highly probable the ACCA will be providing “mock” CBE’s at a cost to future students (i.e. as they do for F1-F4) so I’m unable to comprehend the “secrecy” of previous MCQ’s. In any event, far from in the interests of any student studying any F5+ paper at present.
September 26, 2015 at 1:07 pm #273649I agree with ” Chris “, ACCA has strange policies, which at times make one wonder if ACCA cares more about making money or helping students.
If they really cared about students, the four sessions a year should have been implemented years ago. And posting the exam papers for all the sessions is a must, don’t know what they think they can accomplish from their lazy attitude of only posting papers of 2 sessions.
I humbly request ACCA to post the exams of all the sessions if they truly care about their students!
October 3, 2015 at 11:20 am #274801it is One of the means of checking strength and weaknesses in respect of topics treated. it is one of the important guide lines for adequate preparation towards exams. A sincere review of past questions let you know what you actually did wrong in the previous sitting. I therefore think ACCA should publish the September exams questions.
October 3, 2015 at 11:32 am #274802Considering how much students and members pay for ACCA services, i think in some respects and areas, what they offer is poor, the student and member portals on the website are terrible, they look like something that was around at the birth of the internet, not something that screams the presitge of the qualification
It cant take much to upload a couple of PDF documents onto their website, it probably takes about an hour of someones time at the very most (lets face it, its probably about 10 minutes), and they have always managed it before, surely this should have been something they planned for when deciding to do the exams 4 times a year
…maybe someone needs to sit P3 again
October 3, 2015 at 12:09 pm #274805I completely agree the notion that ACCA publishes September exams. It will be a punishment for students not to publish all exam sessions. ACCA qualification is challenging in itself in which the publication of exam papers was a very slight support we usually get from ACCA.
I would appreciate if ACCA revises this policy and publishes all exam papers throughout the yearOctober 3, 2015 at 12:18 pm #274806AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Interestingly enough before introducing the 4 times exams a year ACCA rightly carried out a survey. Very good outcome and I supported this during the survey. I believe ACCA should also have carried out a survey before taking the decision of reducing the amount of Q/As per year.
There are two suggestions I can make on the issue of Q/As per year:
1. Publish all Q/As. There is no evidence to suggest that it will over significantly increase pass rate eg increasing pass rate from 45% to 65%.
2. Publish all questions per year and then have two Q/As per paper year. This compromise will ensure ACCA do not have to pay too much on Q/As. Most books and learning resources take this approach. The questions should not be taken away from students.
October 3, 2015 at 4:11 pm #274825i think ACCA has got this wrong, what is the essence of taking away question paper in the exam hall without making it available/ accessible online? after all we pay for these exams! so why deny us of right to have access to those materials? how do ACCA then justified the used of our annual subscription? i think ACCA should practise what they preach, by becoming more open, and accountable by providing audited annual financial report. i want to believed this policy is geared towards saving cost and this is not in any way to the benefit of the student.
This singular policy itself would further add to the plight of student towards exam preparation, and would also prevent us from carrying out post examination assessment of how individual student perform.
i hereby called on ACCA to reverse this policy and make available relevant resources that would aid the progress of ACCA studentOctober 3, 2015 at 4:37 pm #274826AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Is anyone here who have sited F8 & P2 exams for September’15 exam? Please can you tell what topic was questioned this sitting?
October 4, 2015 at 4:17 am #274868I think ACCA should publish all the past papers after every sitting. After all they continue to ask students to constantly pratcice past paper questions.This can be futhur realised if more recent questions are posted.
In addition the website is not very “user friendly”. It lacks colour and is not very inviting. Its more like a” grey scale” and gives the impression that what is on there is very “wordy and difficuilt’. Manauvering is somewhat difficult as comapred to other website.Conversely, I think most stutends are please with the increased siting per year.
October 4, 2015 at 11:44 am #274916Back to back papers are rarely very similar (where ‘choice/option’ questions are included). The common sense approach seems to suggest the ACCA are trying to avoid us all looking at September and ruling out topics accordingly for the next sitting. Therefore the ACCA statement that the approach, “highlight[s] clearly the resources that add most value to students’ exam preparation” seems appropriate when considered long term.
I highly doubt anyone could conclude the change was to do with the time taken to upload a few papers on an already overloaded website.
Nb this in no way suggests I agree with the approach.
October 4, 2015 at 12:28 pm #274918I’m just being cynical, but the ACCA can totally commercialise past papers as a resource by withdrawing them from the official website and simultaneously jacking up the price of the right to publish them by approved learning providers – BPP, Kaplan, etc – who in turn use past paper materials exclusively on their textbooks.
Well, the current revision kit materials are already built wholly or partially on past papers anyway, and those publishers must be paying something for past papers, but withdrawing them entirely from ACCA website would force the purchase of revision kits to become almost a must for students.
That’s how American professional exams are being operated, by the way.October 4, 2015 at 12:40 pm #274920AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Simply. Students need to past papers and answers in a of the exams conducted. Students need those questions to help them prepare for subsequent exams. Others need them to be able to tell themselves where they went wrong is writjng that exams. I am preparing for P5 in December 2015, after not passing it in June. I was looking forward to seeing those questions and answers. Am so disappointed.
October 4, 2015 at 6:40 pm #274944I do agree with ACCA that the papers on the website appear exactly as and when they were sat at the time and have not been updated. Most of these past papers have been rewritten and published in the current Revision Kits/ Question Banks to reflect the current exam structures and question types.
However, it is my suggestion that ACCA considers publishing at most the last four sittings past papers and remove those past papers which are more than four sittings from its website.
Most of these Question Banks/ Revision Kits would not be having questions from the last two sittings and as such, it would be prudent for ACCA to have these past papers published on its website for students references.
October 4, 2015 at 7:38 pm #274949@opiod said:
However, it is my suggestion that ACCA considers publishing at most the last four sittings past papers and remove those past papers which are more than four sittings from its website.
I can’t believe my eyes..
What? ACCA should not publish more than 4 last sittings?
WHY??Mate.. not everyone can afford buying revision kit. every year..
maybe to you 20 pounds is not much,.. for some students in other countries it maybe is a lot..I just dont understand why you would want to limit it??
Questions have to be written 2 (or 4 now) times anyway..
and students sitting the exams paid for them.. ACCA examiners are not writing questions because of charity.. this is their jobso effectively,, since students paid for them.. they belong to students.
ok?
October 4, 2015 at 7:39 pm #274950and if I may add,
now with digital marking of the exams.. it is strange that ACCA does not return marked exams to students.. BUT this is another different subject.October 5, 2015 at 10:57 am #275008AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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There are several reasons why this is a backward step. As a tutor, I have no issue with not publishing MCQ from the F papers. It would be nice to publish a couple per sitting perhaps, just so we can keep an eye on question style, but an MCQ is an MCQ so it is hardly a major issue.
But long questions are a different matter. They can change in style a lot over time, especially when the examining team changes – and with 4 sittings per year now, it will not be 1 examiner setting everything. I am already hearing that P3 was a bit odd in September, but I have no way of guiding students as to why or how it was odd as I cannot see the paper.
Not only does this decision prevent tutors from doing their jobs as well as we could do, it also represents a lack of accountability. If students report questions were off syllabus, unclear, or a paper was hard overall, there is no way anyone can feed back on that. Of course ACCA has assessors on each paper, but that does not stop a few strange things creeping through the system and being open to outside criticism is a strength (accountability and transparency being key concepts of good governance that are taught on many ACCA papers).
I presume ACCA have some reasons for doing this – perhaps so that the official publishers are the only ones who get access to all the questions – but I cannot see how any potential benefits of this decision could outweigh the massive downside for students.
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From what I’ve read on the ACCA site, they say that they will publish a compiled set of answers from the 2 sittings, but they will not reflect the entire September or December exam.
However I cannot understand what is the reason… my logic is simple so correct me if I’m wrong: I assume that when they formulated the subjects for the September session they also had them solved, so what is the big fuss about? They should be the primary source of providing us with the appropriate resources…and now what? it frustrates me so much…October 5, 2015 at 3:12 pm #275037If this is really the way ACCA is behaving it is because they only care about making excessive amounts of money and not about helping people with their accounting career. Look at it, these constant raises in prices every time: every year the subscription fee goes up, after every exam session the entrance fee goes up. ACCA is without a doubt making many times in excess of their costs.
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How many people who are calling for the September exams to be published actually manage to attempt every single past paper already out there?
I haven’t got the time or the stamina to get through all the material that’s already been published for us. Will one more paper really make the difference between a fail and a pass?
It must take an inordinately long time to write an exam paper, and I am pretty sure the ACCA is hoping to gain some efficiencies here by recycling some material from September to December.
All organisations aim to be more efficient. This is what this whole qualification is about. Managing successful businesses.
@Jason, I’d love to see your cost and income breakdown analysis of how you have arrived at the conclusion that you are without a doubt that the ACCA is making many times in excess of the costs.October 8, 2015 at 12:13 am #275477If the publishing of Q/As is about time and cost saving, then ACCA should allow question papers to be taken away after the exams and only deal with the publication of answers. I feel ACCA should show much concern about pass rates and find out issues that confront students of late
October 8, 2015 at 1:38 am #275480You’re so right. If ACCA claims to be concerned about the success of students and about helping students ACCA should do everything possible to help students, not to their own detriment but not to the detriment of students’ success either. A balanced approach is key.
October 8, 2015 at 3:09 am #275482For your information, ACCA doesn’t repeat exam questions so soon. That’s 1, and 2, I have no time to waste giving ‘your cost and income breakdown analysis’.
It may not apply to you but there are many of us who have to pay ACCA using currencies with a ratio of 1:3 or 1:4 and, depending on the current conditions, even 1:5 all in favour of the GBP Sterling. There are many customers of ACCA as students or other forms who are residents of so-called third world countries who fatten ACCA’s coffers along with the rest of its customers from so-called first world countries. What exactly is ACCA doing with all that money why they have to increase the exam entry fee CONSISTENTLY after every exam session as well as the registration fee every calendar year?!!!!
October 8, 2015 at 10:44 am #275515AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Unfortunately, some of us are losing the plot here. Some have deviated into areas unrelated to the subject matter ie publish all Q/As or partial publication. Some have use this forum to unleash their anger. ACCA does not benefit from exchange rate of say 1:10. Painful as it might be what ACCA gets is the equivalent value. We must argue logically and coherently in other to form a public opinion so that ACCA can revert their decision.
Example of sound arguments for and against include comments by Saab1 and Andreasmarcfarlane above. It is unethical for us to be using words that sound derogative. We can arguably win the case by remaining focus and stop send abusive language on the profession we value.
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