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Problem about Dec.2009 Q1, Please help . Thanks alot.

Forums › Ask ACCA Tutor Forums › Ask the Tutor ACCA FR Exams › Problem about Dec.2009 Q1, Please help . Thanks alot.

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  • May 18, 2010 at 4:19 pm #43966
    pandaki
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    I am so confusing “8% loan note interest” in this question.

    i) why “8% loan note interest =(2,000)” need include in pre-acqisition reserves ? 152,000 + (21,000 + 2,000) x 6/12

    ii) Investment Income – why need to deduct $2,000 ?

    iii) Finance Cost – I have see the answer but i am not understand , how to calculate finance cost in Salva post aquisition = $2,500 & why need to deduct $2,000 again ?

    Thanks alot 🙂

    May 18, 2010 at 4:27 pm #60546
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    Sorry, one more question

    iv) how to calculate the pre & post aquistion of Salva ?

    May 22, 2010 at 10:13 am #60547
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    I also kill myself in understanding impacts of note (ii)
    And here is my understanding, hope it can make clearer:

    Quote:
    i) why “8% loan note interest =(2,000)” need include in pre-acqisition reserves ? 152,000 + (21,000 + 2,000) x 6/12

    1. Per Q: “Pandar invested loan note from Salva right after its acquisition (01.04.2009) of Salva”.
    We need to calculate Goodwill @ acquisition date but not @ B/S date.
    As Pandar invested loan note after acquisition–> Intest loan note accured here is @ post-acquision.
    So, we must eliminate interest expense out when calculating g/w @ acquisition date.

    2. Per Q: “All interest accruring to 30/9/2009 had been accounted for by both companies”
    It means that: 21m RE of Salva for the year ended 30/9/09 (01.10.08-30.09.09) already included post-acquisition payable interest expense on loan note 2m ($50m x 80% x 6/12) to Pandar.

    -> Hence, RE (Group reserve) of Salva for the year ended 30/9/09 @ acquistion (21m+2m)

    Why need add 2m but not deduct 2m. ‘coz it is expense but not revenue.
    Lets say: RE 21m = one number A – post-acquisition interst expense (2m)
    –>To exclude this interest expense 2m, A = 21m + 2m

    Take note:
    + FV adj & G/w @ acquisition date
    + NCI & Reserve @ B/S date

    G/w of Group = Purchase consideration – FV of net asset of Subsidiary @ acquisition
    + Purchase consideration = 345,6m (Pandar) + 76,8m (Salva) = 422.4m
    + FV of net asset of Sub (Salva) @ acquisition
    = [(120m +152m+(21m+2m)*6/12) (NBV)+ 25m (FV adj) = 308.5m


    Group ‘s g/w = 422.4m – 308.5m = 113.9m

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    ii) Investment Income – why need to deduct $2,000 ?

    Need to deduct $2000 ‘coz it is intra-trading company.

    Investment income in Group Panda:

    . Panda: Investment income (interest & dividend) (per Q)…9500
    . Interest income on loan note ($50m x 8% x 6/12)………….(2000)
    . Dividend received from Salva (8000×80%)…………………..(6400)


    Investment income in Group = 1100

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    iii) Finance Cost – I have see the answer but i am not understand , how to calculate finance cost in Salva post aquisition = $2,500 & why need to deduct $2,000 again ?

    Frankly, I dont understand when reading the answer, add 2000 then deduct 2000. So confused. Let’s make it more simple:
    Finance cost
    . Panda: Finance cost ………(1800)
    . Salva consolidate: (3000-2000)*6/12 = (500)
    Similar to investment income, as 2000 is intra-interest which Salva accounted as its expense, we need to exclude it in group.


    Finance cost in Group = (2300)

    May 22, 2010 at 11:52 am #60550
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    I’ll try to look at the question in the next couple of days – when I can get to the office – and I’ll let you know after I’ve seen the problem.

    May 26, 2010 at 4:14 pm #60551
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    Thanks Trangdh & Werty.

    I trying understand the answer. Thanks for your reply. ^.^

    May 27, 2010 at 2:25 pm #60552
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    OK

    But for the loan interest, the Salva profit for the year would have been 21,000 + 2,000 loan interest. Therefore, retained earnings at date of acquisition would have been the amount brought forward + 6/12 of 23,000 = 11,500. Post acquisition retained will be ( 6/12 of 23,000 ) – 2,000. expenses are generally deemed to accrue evenly – unless otherwise told. Here we are told that 2,000 loan interest is specifically for the post acquisition period!

    Does that help?

    May 27, 2010 at 4:11 pm #60553
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    yes .. your explain is big help for me.

    May 28, 2010 at 10:13 am #60554
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    good luck

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