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plateau 12/07

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  • This topic has 15 replies, 4 voices, and was last updated 7 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • May 16, 2014 at 10:30 pm #169124
    aishaasad
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    hello Sir
    plz explain the treatment of professional cost of $500,000 .
    relating to acuisition which is currently included in the cost of investment

    May 17, 2014 at 7:02 am #169136
    MikeLittle
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    Until about 6 years ago, that was acceptable but then it changed. Nowadays legal and professional costs associated with an acquisition must be expensed in the year of the acquisition

    May 17, 2014 at 12:30 pm #169186
    aishaasad
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    ok Sir, in plateau they have deducted it from retained earnings what is the other effect charge p n L ?

    May 18, 2014 at 3:59 pm #169330
    MikeLittle
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    Aisha – I don’t understand your question – sorry.

    The double entry (if that’s what you are asking about) is Debit Professional costs in the Statement of Income and Credit Cash

    May 18, 2014 at 4:34 pm #169343
    aishaasad
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    actually Sir professional cost was included in the cost of investment per the question
    so in preparing the consolidated retained earnings this professional cost has been deducted
    i am asking the other affect of this

    May 18, 2014 at 9:00 pm #169388
    MikeLittle
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    Debit it to the Income Statement within a heading like “Professional fees” – probably included within the same heading as the audit fee

    May 18, 2014 at 9:10 pm #169393
    aishaasad
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    ook THank u Sir

    May 18, 2014 at 9:52 pm #169409
    MikeLittle
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    You’re welcome

    May 8, 2016 at 2:13 pm #314116
    ssingh
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    Dear Sir,

    I attempted this question and I have trouble with (i) with the $500,000 ” it was written down by this amount shortly after aquisition ” this figure was deducted to arrive at the post aquisition profit. Why I have trouble it’s because I have attempted the PREMIER (Dec 2010) question as well and in that particular question they is a note:
    ” fair value of 1.2 million below its carrying value. This was not incorporated in its financial statement.
    The 1.2 was not deducted to get the post aquisition profit. Is it because it was not included in the financial statement. I hope I have explained my self properly.
    Thank you.

    May 8, 2016 at 6:25 pm #314145
    MikeLittle
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    The $500,000 HAS been adjusted for within the subsidiary’s own records whereas the $1,200,000 HASN’T been reflected in the subsidiary’s records

    Is that making any sense to you or does it need more from me?

    May 8, 2016 at 8:49 pm #314153
    ssingh
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    I understand the concept a little. Just to clatify please. If the question says ” it has shortly been written off after aquisition or “it has been incorporated in the financial statement” it’s logic to deduct it from pre aquisition profit to arrive at post aquisition profit. But if the question said it has not been deducted in the financial statement then we don’t deducted it. Thank you Sir.

    May 9, 2016 at 6:08 am #314217
    MikeLittle
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    You seem to be very confused. In addition, you’re trying to memorise a “rule” without understanding the logic behind it and that’s not a sensible approach

    Let’s deal with the $500,000. You tell me that the question indicates that this $500,000 unwanted value was “written off shortly after acquisition”

    (I’m presuming that this was an asset such as “development expenditure”)

    In working W2 Goodwill, we needed to find the fair value of the newly acquired subsidiary assets and this $500,000 was one of those assets. But, when we carried out our preparatory work before the actual acquisition, we discovered that in fact this asset was worthless

    So in working W2, when listing the fair valued assets, we deducted the $500,000 and the subsidiary actually put through the adjustment shortly after take over.

    So now, at consolidation date, when we look again at subsidiary worth to determine by how much it has changed (post acquisition retained earnings) since we looked at the equivalent value as at date of acquisition, there is no further adjustment to make ….. because the subsidiary has itself written off this worthless asset

    IF the subsidiary had NOT written it off, then the “worth” of the subsidiary as at the consolidation date would have needed to be reduced by the $500,000 in the same way that we had to reduce the fair value worth as at date of acquisition

    Is this beginning to make any more sense to you?

    May 9, 2016 at 11:16 am #314247
    ssingh
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    Wow, amazing thank you so much I do understand the concept. Thank you so very much Sir for your help.

    May 9, 2016 at 12:24 pm #314259
    MikeLittle
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    You’re welcome

    August 23, 2017 at 11:45 pm #403245
    taherkake
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    Can you help me how they calculated intra group receivables and payables in this question ? Because I don’t understand in some question they deduct full receivable while in others they deduct balancing figure .
    And is there any specific format like examples if parents are seller or subsidiaries are seller and then you have to calculate intragroup transaction separetly?

    August 26, 2017 at 8:02 am #403596
    MikeLittle
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    Don’t try to learn by rote! Learn by understanding

    You need to see which way the cash (or goods) are going. Are they moving from parent (P) to subsidiary (S) or are they moving the other way from S to P?

    Let’s deal with just one type of in-transit (but they both work exactly the same way)

    Let’s consider cash of $2,000 moving from S to P and there is a balance in P’s records of a receivable from S of $5,200

    Now p doesn’t know about this $2,000 in transit, but S does and S has recorded the payment in the S records (Dr Payables P $2,000, Cr Cash $2,000)

    So, so far as S is concerned, that transaction is completed and S has a balance remainings due to P of $xxxxx

    Now accelerate the in-transit item into the records of P and the resultant entry is Dr Cash $2,000, Cr Receivables S $2,000

    That brings the balance due from S down to $3,200 and the question will now normally suggest that the two current accounts reconcile

    So now reduce the combined Receivables figure by $3,200 and the combined Payables figure by $3,200

    All of this is covered in the course notes and in the associated video lecture!

    OK?

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