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Parent-Subsidiary Relationship

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  • This topic has 13 replies, 4 voices, and was last updated 3 years ago by John Moffat.
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  • June 7, 2014 at 10:17 pm #175088
    Anne
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    I have just done the mock exam paper. Section B Q1 (d) “The following table shows factors to be considered when determining whether a parent-subsidiary relationship exists:
    A. Significant Influence
    B. Control
    C. Non-controlling interest
    D. Greater than 50% of the equity shares being held by an investor
    E. 100% of the equity shares being held by an investor
    F. Greater than 50% of the preference shares being held by an investor
    G. 50% of all shares and all debt being held by an investor
    H. Greater than 50% of preference shares and debt being held by an investor.
    Required: Which of the above factors A to H illustrate the existence of a parent-subsidiary relationship (4 marks).”
    So I answered: “A, B, D, G”. The correct answer was B, C, D, E. I’m happy enough with B & D, but C & E?. I thought the idea was that there was a controlling interest and also that the holding of more than 50% of preference shares as opposed to ordinary shares wouldn’t count for much. Can you advise please?

    June 8, 2014 at 7:52 am #175131
    John Moffat
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    C is a bit of a trick – if there is a non-controlling interest then it must mean that there is a controlling interest and therefore a parent-subsidiary relationship.

    For E, equity shares are ordinary shares and so 100% ownership means there is control.

    October 11, 2022 at 4:02 am #668272
    Iniss
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    how about G sir? I thought if 50% of all shares and debts being held by the investor so therefore the relationship of parent and subsidiary does existed

    October 11, 2022 at 7:59 am #668284
    John Moffat
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    Holding debt does not give them control, only holding equity.

    October 16, 2022 at 12:20 am #668769
    emvee16
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    “During the year ended 31 October 20X5 Black sold goods which originally cost $12 million to Bury.
    Black invoiced Bury at cost plus 40%. Bury still has 30% of these goods in inventory at
    31 October 20X5.”

    Calculate the unrealised profit on sale

    I could not type the entire question here… Black is the parent and Bury is the subsidiary. The answer is 1440000 and I don’t understand how. Please help me out because I think there is some sort of error in that answer, it’s from the revision kit.

    October 16, 2022 at 9:26 am #668779
    John Moffat
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    There is no error.

    The goods originally cost $12M, so it means that Black had paid that much for them.

    They sold them to Bury at cost plus 40%, so they added on profit of 40% x $12M = $4.8M when they charged Bury.

    30% of these goods are still in inventory, so the unrealised profit is 30% x $4.8M = $1,440,000

    October 16, 2022 at 11:32 am #668787
    emvee16
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    Sir is the 40% the mark-up? I treated it as mark-up:

    Sales= $3.6M (30% × 12M)…..140%
    Cost of sales= ?…..100%
    Gross profit= ?….40%

    Therfore gross profit= 40×3.6M/140 (from cross multiplication)= $1,028,571.4

    That’s why my answer was quite different. Pls help me see my mistake. However, if we treat 40% as margin we get $1440000 as you calculated.

    October 16, 2022 at 4:17 pm #668800
    John Moffat
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    It is a mark-up.

    They originally cost Black $12M and Black added a mark-up of 40% of what they cost them.

    Check my previous reply again.

    October 16, 2022 at 7:13 pm #668831
    emvee16
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    Ohk, thank you so much. There was another similar question I saw which confused me:

    “During the year Prestend sold goods with an invoice value of $240,000 to Northon. These goods were
    invoiced at cost plus 20%. Half of the goods are still in Northon’s inventory at the year end.

    What is the unrealised profit on intragroup sales?
    $40,000
    $48,000
    $20,000
    $24,000”

    Can you please help me work out the answer. The revision kit states that the answer is $20,000 while I am getting $24,000 and I followed everything that was involved in my previous question.

    I will really appreciate your help

    October 17, 2022 at 6:44 am #668943
    John Moffat
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    This question does not say that the original cost was $240,000. It says that they were invoiced to Norton for $240,000.

    Therefore the profit was 20/120 x 240,000 = 40,000 and therefore the unrealised profit is 1/2 x 40,000.

    October 17, 2022 at 11:46 am #669023
    emvee16
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    Oh ok, so is it always the invoice value which is the price at which the goods were sold to the buying entity (the selling price)?

    October 17, 2022 at 3:27 pm #669067
    John Moffat
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    It is when the question is worded in this way.

    October 17, 2022 at 3:39 pm #669072
    emvee16
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    The wording of the questions are really confusing but thanks for helping me understand

    October 17, 2022 at 4:35 pm #669083
    John Moffat
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    You are correct, but you can only get used to it by practicing more and more questions.

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