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- June 7, 2014 at 10:17 pm #175088
I have just done the mock exam paper. Section B Q1 (d) “The following table shows factors to be considered when determining whether a parent-subsidiary relationship exists:
A. Significant Influence
B. Control
C. Non-controlling interest
D. Greater than 50% of the equity shares being held by an investor
E. 100% of the equity shares being held by an investor
F. Greater than 50% of the preference shares being held by an investor
G. 50% of all shares and all debt being held by an investor
H. Greater than 50% of preference shares and debt being held by an investor.
Required: Which of the above factors A to H illustrate the existence of a parent-subsidiary relationship (4 marks).”
So I answered: “A, B, D, G”. The correct answer was B, C, D, E. I’m happy enough with B & D, but C & E?. I thought the idea was that there was a controlling interest and also that the holding of more than 50% of preference shares as opposed to ordinary shares wouldn’t count for much. Can you advise please?June 8, 2014 at 7:52 am #175131C is a bit of a trick – if there is a non-controlling interest then it must mean that there is a controlling interest and therefore a parent-subsidiary relationship.
For E, equity shares are ordinary shares and so 100% ownership means there is control.
October 11, 2022 at 4:02 am #668272how about G sir? I thought if 50% of all shares and debts being held by the investor so therefore the relationship of parent and subsidiary does existed
October 11, 2022 at 7:59 am #668284Holding debt does not give them control, only holding equity.
October 16, 2022 at 12:20 am #668769“During the year ended 31 October 20X5 Black sold goods which originally cost $12 million to Bury.
Black invoiced Bury at cost plus 40%. Bury still has 30% of these goods in inventory at
31 October 20X5.”Calculate the unrealised profit on sale
I could not type the entire question here… Black is the parent and Bury is the subsidiary. The answer is 1440000 and I don’t understand how. Please help me out because I think there is some sort of error in that answer, it’s from the revision kit.
October 16, 2022 at 9:26 am #668779There is no error.
The goods originally cost $12M, so it means that Black had paid that much for them.
They sold them to Bury at cost plus 40%, so they added on profit of 40% x $12M = $4.8M when they charged Bury.
30% of these goods are still in inventory, so the unrealised profit is 30% x $4.8M = $1,440,000
October 16, 2022 at 11:32 am #668787Sir is the 40% the mark-up? I treated it as mark-up:
Sales= $3.6M (30% × 12M)…..140%
Cost of sales= ?…..100%
Gross profit= ?….40%Therfore gross profit= 40×3.6M/140 (from cross multiplication)= $1,028,571.4
That’s why my answer was quite different. Pls help me see my mistake. However, if we treat 40% as margin we get $1440000 as you calculated.
October 16, 2022 at 4:17 pm #668800It is a mark-up.
They originally cost Black $12M and Black added a mark-up of 40% of what they cost them.
Check my previous reply again.
October 16, 2022 at 7:13 pm #668831Ohk, thank you so much. There was another similar question I saw which confused me:
“During the year Prestend sold goods with an invoice value of $240,000 to Northon. These goods were
invoiced at cost plus 20%. Half of the goods are still in Northon’s inventory at the year end.What is the unrealised profit on intragroup sales?
$40,000
$48,000
$20,000
$24,000”Can you please help me work out the answer. The revision kit states that the answer is $20,000 while I am getting $24,000 and I followed everything that was involved in my previous question.
I will really appreciate your help
October 17, 2022 at 6:44 am #668943This question does not say that the original cost was $240,000. It says that they were invoiced to Norton for $240,000.
Therefore the profit was 20/120 x 240,000 = 40,000 and therefore the unrealised profit is 1/2 x 40,000.
October 17, 2022 at 11:46 am #669023Oh ok, so is it always the invoice value which is the price at which the goods were sold to the buying entity (the selling price)?
October 17, 2022 at 3:27 pm #669067It is when the question is worded in this way.
October 17, 2022 at 3:39 pm #669072The wording of the questions are really confusing but thanks for helping me understand
October 17, 2022 at 4:35 pm #669083You are correct, but you can only get used to it by practicing more and more questions.
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