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Paper F9 Dec 2010 exam was

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  • December 9, 2010 at 4:33 pm #73838
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    hope I will get at least 50.I was confused with sale demands in Q1,Q2 wasn’t easy.

    December 9, 2010 at 4:34 pm #73839
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    @bridmw said:
    For NPV used the company’s cost of capital of 10% as stated in the question. Negative NPV of c.700k+.

    Good stuff. Cheers.

    December 9, 2010 at 4:34 pm #73840
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    Agree with bridmw… 10% cost of capital to be usedd…my pv of cashflows was 2779 less initial investment 3500

    December 9, 2010 at 4:34 pm #73841
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    No fisher needed the cost of capital includes inflation.

    December 9, 2010 at 4:35 pm #73842
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    @boscobosco said:
    As a matter of interest, what discount factor did everyone use for the NPV. I started with 20% as per director, but switched to 10%. Came out with Negative npv of around 400 grand. But it was neg of about 700 with the 20% factor so just interested

    I started using 9% that I had calculated using the 2 inflation rates….then I realised they told us it was 10% in the question!

    I ended up with a negative NPV of 2.7m or something ridiculous. I must have majorly messed up on one part of it but the majority of it seemed right so I wont worry too much

    December 9, 2010 at 4:36 pm #73843
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    Can anyone remember how much the discounting of receivables calculation was worth? I think I may have lost a couple of points here.

    December 9, 2010 at 4:36 pm #73844
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    no fisher affect the stated cost of capital was already in nominal terms

    December 9, 2010 at 4:38 pm #73845
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    Was it ok to do npv calculation to nearest thousand? Not sure why i did it like that, panicked a bit i think. Anyway, was gonna change it half way through but didn’t have time.

    December 9, 2010 at 4:41 pm #73846
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    @bridmw said:
    Can anyone remember how much the discounting of receivables calculation was worth? I think I may have lost a couple of points here.

    It was worth 6 marks and there was a little bit extra to caculate the highest discount rate it could use (sensitivity)

    December 9, 2010 at 4:44 pm #73847
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    @louibee said:
    It was worth 6 marks and there was a little bit extra to caculate the highest discount rate it could use (sensitivity)

    Thanks it’s certainly not worth losing sleep over then – ’cause I probably got 3 or 4 of them.

    December 9, 2010 at 4:45 pm #73848
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    @cuid3 said:
    no fisher affect the stated cost of capital was already in nominal terms

    when we say something is at nominal term = real terms and the computation added inflation … there was a general inflation with must be factored in the computation…. if i may ask , which question are you referring … i am referring to q1

    December 9, 2010 at 4:47 pm #73849
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    Q 1 the cost of capital was in nominal terms therefore it already includes inflation. If it had been given in real terms we would have had to use the Fisher equation to figure out the nominal cost of capital.

    December 9, 2010 at 4:50 pm #73850
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    i have used 10% as discount rate for NPV, am i OK na? i got negative NPV

    December 9, 2010 at 4:53 pm #73851
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    @handsome said:
    i have used 10% as discount rate for NPV, am i OK na? i got negative NPV

    Oh! i missed that part 🙁

    December 9, 2010 at 4:57 pm #73852
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    did anyone write the answer to efficiency, ……..weakform, semi strong form and strong form efficiency pls reply!

    December 9, 2010 at 4:57 pm #73853
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    What did anyone do when it asked for the cost of debt? Did you jusy do the bonds or pref shares aswell???

    December 9, 2010 at 5:01 pm #73854
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    @miniclaire said:
    did anyone write the answer to efficiency, ……..weakform, semi strong form and strong form efficiency pls reply!

    yep, thats it

    December 9, 2010 at 5:02 pm #73855
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    For Question 4 part B i used only Bonds, For WACC i used both

    @louibee said:
    What did anyone do when it asked for the cost of debt? Did you jusy do the bonds or pref shares aswell???

    December 9, 2010 at 5:03 pm #73856
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    @louibee said:
    What did anyone do when it asked for the cost of debt? Did you jusy do the bonds or pref shares aswell???

    this is what i did

    what als remember was the cost of debt
    Market value cost
    Long term bond 7% 103.5/100*20 =20.7 4.6% * 20*7/54.2 = 1.76

    Perference share @ 8% 62/50 …..= 33.5 6% * 33.5/54.2 = 3.71

    Kd = 1.76+ 3.71 =5.47

    hope i was right 😀

    December 9, 2010 at 5:03 pm #73857
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    confused and doing mitake and mitake cutting and overriting because first time f9 my be very pressure on me

    December 9, 2010 at 5:03 pm #73858
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    Q1) I got negative of around $700000 too, part b i talked about the disadvantages and advantages of payback period and ROCE. and part C i got aroung 12% cost of capital.

    Q2) messed up, didnt know what to write so talked about equity finance and debt finacne and various calcs. part b i just guessed about lenght time off bond, amount of bond ect, part c i talked about Weak, semi strong and strong form? – not sure if correct?

    Q3) i got aroung 20000 saving too which was a EOQ of 5000 instead 16000,
    Discount i got something like $500000 better off to take discount as…

    Current Rec 1.8m * 5.5% was 990000

    With discount i worked it out as 25% of total sales something like 21.8m * 0.01 which was 218000 cost of discount less the benefit of 700000 or so being the 500000 better off as the overdraft int of 990000 remained payable even with discount?

    and got around 3% as max disocunt.

    part c i talked about Creditworthiness, credit limits, checks, reviews ect but think this is wrong?

    Q4. part a i got around $700 million value, but with the net asset i got $94 mill?
    Concerned why it was so big diff?

    Part b- i got cost of Loan at arounf 4% using IRR, and aroung 11% for the pref as i did the 8%(Value per q)/MV (think about 67?),

    Part C – I got around 11% total i think, got a total MV of aroung 880million?

    Part d – didnt have a clue

    December 9, 2010 at 5:03 pm #73859
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    @handsome said:
    For Question 4 part B i used only Bonds, For WACC i used both

    Yeah same for me thats what i did. Some people did both it that wrong?

    December 9, 2010 at 5:04 pm #73860
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    confused and doing mitake and mitake cutting and overriting because first time f9 my be very pressure on me

    December 9, 2010 at 5:04 pm #73861
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    @miniclaire said:
    did anyone write the answer to efficiency, ……..weakform, semi strong form and strong form efficiency pls reply!

    yes .. under capital market question

    December 9, 2010 at 5:05 pm #73862
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    For cost of debt I just found the discount factor so that the PV of the bond cash flows was equal to the MV of the debt. BUT I included the pref shares in the WACC valued like a perpetual bond ((50 x 0.08)/67) was their current cost.

    EMH – 3 forms
    Weak – only historic information included in current share prices. Means investor cannot get abnormal profit over the long term from studying past price movements. Empirical evidence show this is true in developed stock markets.
    Semi – strong – historic information and all publicly available info included in current share values. No bargains. Implications for analysis and takeovers. Developed markets approach this state according to research.
    Strong – all info public and private. Doesn’t hold abnormal profit can be made with insider information hence criminal to trade on this in many jurisdictions.

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