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Paper F9 Dec 2010 exam was

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  • December 9, 2010 at 3:50 pm #73813
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    @aliboy9 said:
    please tell me should i have used the 80% 20% for gearing or the MV of target company… :((
    i took MV for beta fearing and regearing 🙁

    you must first change it to beta asset before you factor the MV of the company investing in the new company

    Note un-gear the beta equity of the similar company first before you find the equity beta with the current market value of the company investing in the new company

    December 9, 2010 at 3:54 pm #73814
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    @derrickagyiri said:
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    you must first change it to beta asset before you factor the MV of the company investing in the new company

    Note un-gear the beta equity of the similar company first before you find the equity beta with the current market value of the company investing in the new company

    well i did not touch the target companty’s % of gearing but used the MV its equity and debt for calculating its Beta asset.
    then used it in own company using M.v of our equity and debt

    December 9, 2010 at 3:56 pm #73815
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    Very straightforward – but time management very important.

    December 9, 2010 at 3:58 pm #73816
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    @derrickagyiri said:
    you

    you must first change it to beta asset before you factor the MV of the company investing in the new company

    Note un-gear the beta equity of the similar company first before you find the equity beta with the current market value of the company investing in the new company

    Is the formula ba = be (e/e+d(1-t) do you use the % of the other company first ??
    Then re-gear with the % of the company who is investing with there % then calulate capm?

    December 9, 2010 at 4:00 pm #73817
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    Degear using comparative company debt and equity market values – with comp company Beta to get business related Beta or asset beta.

    Regear using market value of expanding company equity and debt.

    December 9, 2010 at 4:00 pm #73818
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    Can anyone please tell me what they wrote for the Working Capital Policy in trade receivables? Thanks

    December 9, 2010 at 4:05 pm #73819
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    39 impossible, it was 4% – 4.23% like that

    WACC was 11%

    NPV was negative

    EOQ was better

    Q2 i made a big blinder 🙁 i know ratio very well, but i wrote some thing else 🙁 i wrote the method of raising 200 million 🙁

    @lordoflords7 said:
    Does any one remember what the Kd was? I got someting high like 39% but thought it was a bit exxagerated…

    December 9, 2010 at 4:09 pm #73820
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    Paper seemed quite fair but the questions were, in my opinion, poorly structured. It must be very difficult if english is not your first language and you have to sit one of these. Just say what you want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    December 9, 2010 at 4:12 pm #73821
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    true, thats why i missed my most fav question of ratios 🙁

    @stu4269 said:
    Paper seemed quite fair but the questions were, in my opinion, poorly structured. It must be very difficult if english is not your first language and you have to sit one of these. Just say what you want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    December 9, 2010 at 4:12 pm #73822
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    Q2 – I started with pecking order. Disregarded RE as per the question. Looked at Debt determined that gearing had already increased and interest coverage decreased over the past 4 years and currently seemed high although without comps it was hard to know for sure. Said if another 200m was raised at current coupon rate interest cover would be below 1 and gearing over 100% so debt really wasn’t an option as even with input from acquired co. liquidity would be critical.
    Then looked at rights issue. Saw this as very difficult to sell PAT growth was minimal and there was no divi. Mentioned equity market segmentation theory and that investors looked for high growth or high dividends and shares offering neither would be unlikely to find a buyer.

    Concluded they should abandon the takeover attempt.

    December 9, 2010 at 4:12 pm #73823
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    @handsome said:
    39 impossible, it was 4% – 4.23% like that

    WACC was 11%

    NPV was negative

    EOQ was better

    Q2 i made a big blinder 🙁 i know ratio very well, but i wrote some thing else 🙁 i wrote the method of raising 200 million 🙁

    my EOQ was better by about 20 grand. Too much??

    December 9, 2010 at 4:14 pm #73824
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    BoscoBosco – Mine would have been of that magnitude also.

    December 9, 2010 at 4:15 pm #73825
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    louibee,,,,i wrote for my answer to working cap on receivables question,managing accounts receivable, debt collection admin costs, controlling credit to individual customers, extra cap required, additional finance required for increase in volume of accs receivable…… but maybe i read the question wrong..

    December 9, 2010 at 4:17 pm #73826
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    @boscobosco said:
    my EOQ was better by about 20 grand. Too much??

    not remember :-s

    i have wirtten that using EOQ was better than traditional

    December 9, 2010 at 4:19 pm #73827
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    My WC receivables answer – had 3 main parts.

    External – may be limited by sector and terms of trade offered by others. Mentioned potential loss of revenues from being more strict than competition.
    Internal – management of accounts receivable and credit giving process
    Financing – cost of funding, discounting for early payment, use of factors and use of invoice discounting if available.

    December 9, 2010 at 4:22 pm #73828
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    can anyone tell me how much marks would i lose if i recovered the working capital in last year? other working is correct.

    secondly that last question.. what did we have to write in that dividend policy question? please do reply quick

    December 9, 2010 at 4:22 pm #73829
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    i think the paper ws quite easy and passable..i got an npv of (721000)..hope thats correct or evn near to that..and there was no need calculate a roce and payback as that wasnt asked for in part a or (b).those who did that simply wasted their time.directors views were to be discussed in part (:) of the Qs.
    also i took a balancing allowance in the last yr and no recovery of Wc as the Qs demanded that.
    i got a WACC in the last qs of 11.6%…hope i pass

    December 9, 2010 at 4:27 pm #73830
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    dividend policy is affected by a firms investment policy and financing policy
    there are many other factors that affect dividend policy such as its potential impact on share price,competitors policies etc.we could also discuss MM theory.there was a similar req in june 2010 u can see that if u want

    December 9, 2010 at 4:28 pm #73831
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    @cuid3 said:
    i think the paper ws quite easy and passable..i got an npv of (721000)..hope thats correct or evn near to that..and there was no need calculate a roce and payback as that wasnt asked for in part a or (b).those who did that simply wasted their time.directors views were to be discussed in part (:) of the Qs.
    also i took a balancing allowance in the last yr and no recovery of Wc as the Qs demanded that.
    i got a WACC in the last qs of 11.6%…hope i pass

    As a matter of interest, what discount factor did everyone use for the NPV. I started with 20% as per director, but switched to 10%. Came out with Negative npv of around 400 grand. But it was neg of about 700 with the 20% factor so just interested

    December 9, 2010 at 4:28 pm #73832
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    Based on past papers getting wc wrong by including recovery will probably only cost you a point. If you come to an incorrect conclusion they’d take another point or too I’d figure.

    For dividend policy I included – M&M say it’s irrelevant in an ideal world as investors can create their own divi. But this isn’t an ideal world. Then discused alternative uses of funds number of +NPV projects available,equity market segmentation, tax treatment of divis for investors, ability to sustain divi and or payout ratio and signaling effects of divi cut.

    December 9, 2010 at 4:30 pm #73833
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    Q1) NPV negative so reject
    Directors comments – wrote about project period being 4 years on all, payback and roce not included tax and cap all.
    Beta Asset – get BA from othe companies debt to equity and then re-gear using investing company.

    Q2) Raising 200 million did growth on profit etc and explained gearing already high so dont raise via debt as will increase gearing. Int cover also high and this debt would reduce again so risky. Rights issue bring gearing down but more expensive and harder to set-up.
    Int on bonds- Lenth taken over the longer then higher int etc
    Efficiency – didnt know

    Q3) EOQ – Saved around £20k something like £70k with current and £50k with eoq
    Receiveables – saved around $860000 and then settlement discount could afford to be upto 3%
    JIT – waffled about the benifits i.e no wastage, no cash tied up stock goin out of date
    Working capital policy of trade receivables – taked about the way it was funded and the cash managment and about the working capital cycle.

    4) DGM and Net asset – got $7.55 per share and then $755 mill for cost
    Cost of Debt only calculated for bonds not pref shares
    WACC 11.6%
    Dividen Policy YIKES didnt chat much about this just said to determine – look at reserves etc see how much is available (prob got 2 marks on this)

    December 9, 2010 at 4:30 pm #73834
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    For NPV used the company’s cost of capital of 10% as stated in the question. Negative NPV of c.700k+.

    December 9, 2010 at 4:31 pm #73835
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    and yes eoq was better offering a saving of about 20 grnd more or less dont remmber exactly..and offering a settlement discount was also net beneficial

    December 9, 2010 at 4:32 pm #73836
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    In question 4 I valued the prefs as a perpetual bond and included them in the WACC.

    December 9, 2010 at 4:32 pm #73837
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    @bridmw said:
    For NPV used the company’s cost of capital of 10% as stated in the question. Negative NPV of c.700k+.

    you have to use fisher principle to inflate the 10%

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