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Paper F9 Dec 2010 exam was

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  • December 9, 2010 at 2:30 pm #73788
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    but when computing ROCE in question one …. we got a 26% return even though a negative npv of (77+)

    i loved the evaluation of the $200 million either by debt or equity to me

    equity is acceptable because of no dividend payment and gearing

    December 9, 2010 at 2:34 pm #73789
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    but when computing ROCE in question one …. we got a 26% return even though a negative npv of (77+)

    i loved the evaluation of the $200 million either by debt or equity to me

    equity is acceptable because of no dividend payment and gearing

    December 9, 2010 at 2:38 pm #73790
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    is it (77)? then my ans is different.. theres no roce right? not required in question

    December 9, 2010 at 2:40 pm #73791
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    You know when an exam is really easy… and you still manage to mess it up… that’s is gutting. Messed up f8 and now f9. Hope I can get through f7. Don’t know what happened to me. I passed all 3 in June! πŸ™

    December 9, 2010 at 2:42 pm #73792
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    CAN SOMEONE CONFIDENT POST UP THEIR ANSWERS ? FREAKING OUT MAN~

    December 9, 2010 at 2:48 pm #73793
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    durax
    we were told to analyse the decision of the Director ..who wants a payback in 2yr on investment and not less than 20% on return

    all i remember in the npv was 77…+ but what i defiantly know was that actual sales would be the deference between the selling price and the selling cost …

    December 9, 2010 at 2:52 pm #73794
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    I took the wrong general inflation rate in Q1 but notified it at the end. I inflated the working capital by 5% per annum. got a negative NPV of 64 whcih scared the hell out of me πŸ˜›
    Q2 i sucked i just calculated some ratios and concluded that investment should be partly from equity and partly from debt. else parts went great.
    Q3. i concluded no discount should be offered by computations (not sure its correct or not)
    Q4. was perfectly done πŸ˜€

    December 9, 2010 at 2:57 pm #73795
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    what als remember was the cost of debt
    Market value cost
    Long term bond 7% 103.5/100*20 =20.7 4.6% * 20*7/54.2 = 1.76

    Perference share @ 8% 62/50 …..= 33.5 6% * 33.5/54.2 = 3.71

    Kd = 1.76+ 3.71 =5.47

    hope i was right πŸ˜€

    December 9, 2010 at 2:59 pm #73796
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    The npv was around 77 people reckon? Well I got a negative but it was a lot more that that! I calculated roce and payback and although both were outside of the expected return from directors I said that view still may consider if view had nothing else but would be careless to base their decisions on that due to the npv and that The two methods don’t take account of future values me money, tax etc…

    December 9, 2010 at 3:01 pm #73797
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    I got an NPV of -400,000 or so. Way off I presume. Not sure why at all. Thought I had that question down.

    I also think I was off with the discount question. My calculations meant they earned quite a lot by giving the 1% discount, due to the 750,000 saving.(have a feeling i dealt incorrectly with this.). I calculated that they could give up to 4.6% discount and still come out on top.

    Made a complete balls of the 15 mark q on how to raise the 2 mill. Only had 15 mins to do it.

    All in all, easy paper but made a mess of it. Fingers crossed.

    December 9, 2010 at 3:02 pm #73798
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    @derrickagyiri said:
    but when computing ROCE in question one …. we got a 26% return even though a negative npv of (77+)

    i loved the evaluation of the $200 million either by debt or equity to me

    equity is acceptable because of no dividend payment and gearing

    Was it necessary to calculate ROCE for part (b)?
    And also regarding 2(a)
    The co’s debt level was already quite high and its due to repay its bonds in 2012
    Also, for the equity part. The q stated that the company has not distributed dividends for the past 4 years so not sure if equity is the exact solution πŸ˜‰

    December 9, 2010 at 3:03 pm #73799
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    @derrickagyiri said:
    what als remember was the cost of debt
    Market value cost
    Long term bond 7% 103.5/100*20 =20.7 4.6% * 20*7/54.2 = 1.76

    Perference share @ 8% 62/50 …..= 33.5 6% * 33.5/54.2 = 3.71

    Kd = 1.76+ 3.71 =5.47

    hope i was right πŸ˜€

    Pref shares aren’t debt. Think they are a seperate source of capital which should be dealt with seperately – wacc formula had three sections to it.

    December 9, 2010 at 3:08 pm #73800
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    Cost of debt after my calculations on the irr was 15 if I remember rightly? May be getting percentages confused! I got 10 somewhere, 15 somewhere and I thimj I said wacc was 12.4

    December 9, 2010 at 3:09 pm #73801
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    4152marky… what i read was that we should analyse the targeted business purchase .,..what does overtrading have to do here … we are lloking for money to buy a company not looking for business expansion …

    if share holders have a capital gain but was not paid dividend …they would accept …something in their investment must increase …so the funds of $200 million must be raised by equity … secondly the company had a high equity gearing of 1.12+ so… going for another debt would reduce their PAIT therefore reducing the weath of the shareholder …. this is definateely an equity funded target for $200 million

    December 9, 2010 at 3:10 pm #73802
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    razjoee..i feel you on that 1a!!!..u say disaster..i say double disaster!!..apart from that , F9 this diet was good..as it wasnt too abstract..at least one can relate to it…esp if u did try to do some reading..well done acca..more papers like this please…

    December 9, 2010 at 3:12 pm #73803
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    Can someone help me with the question on the working capital policy on receivables? Is this to do with the way its funded e.g. long tern short term or is it todo with accessing credit checks and chasing the debt?
    It was funny the way it was worded. πŸ™
    Also the Re-gearing one was the current company funded by 80% debt and 20% equity and the other funded 75% equity and 25% debt? Thanks

    December 9, 2010 at 3:13 pm #73804
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    @boscobosco said:
    Pref shares aren’t debt. Think they are a seperate source of capital which should be dealt with seperately – wacc formula had three sections to it.

    Preference shares are categorized as debt, I made a mistake in using par value instead of market value yikes.

    December 9, 2010 at 3:13 pm #73805
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    @barky said:
    Cost of debt after my calculations on the irr was 15 if I remember rightly? May be getting percentages confused! I got 10 somewhere, 15 somewhere and I thimj I said wacc was 12.4

    what you are saying is a totally different question … they asked for the Cost of debt

    before the WAAC (cost of capital) which i got 11.56 or 12% for question 4

    because the market value = 8.85 *(50m/.05) = 885

    December 9, 2010 at 3:14 pm #73806
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    The paper was ok…well i mean as compared with Jn 10.. but still i thk correction will be quite strick…. :S :S

    Yup… the negative NPV scared me too :S

    December 9, 2010 at 3:21 pm #73807
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    @louibee said:
    Can someone help me with the question on the working capital policy on receivables? Is this to do with the way its funded e.g. long tern short term or is it todo with accessing credit checks and chasing the debt?

    It was funny the way it was worded. πŸ™
    Also the Re-gearing one was the current company funded by 80% debt and 20% equity and the other funded 75% equity and 25% debt? Thanks

    I know the factors that we consider the working capital policy are many; example trade credit , trade discounting , foreign exchange , the cash cycle , Cash management technique etc

    hope i am right πŸ˜€

    December 9, 2010 at 3:39 pm #73808
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    i think its better than June 2010.also i cant remember if working capital in q1 was recoverable at the end of the period.was the debt irr or redeemable.

    December 9, 2010 at 3:40 pm #73809
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    i think its better than June 2010.also i cant remember if working capital in q1 was recoverable at the end of the period.was the debt irr or redeemable.

    December 9, 2010 at 3:44 pm #73810
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    please tell me should i have used the 80% 20% for gearing or the MV of target company… :((
    i took MV for beta fearing and regearing πŸ™

    December 9, 2010 at 3:49 pm #73811
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    I got 12.4% for WACC.
    Pref shares are considered loans, and thus the WACCneeds to be split up into 3 segments- Ve*Ke + Vd*Kd + Vpref*Kpref,

    December 9, 2010 at 3:49 pm #73812
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    Does any one remember what the Kd was? I got someting high like 39% but thought it was a bit exxagerated…

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