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- June 2, 2014 at 11:59 pm #173048AnonymousInactive
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@swaggarv – in my opinion the procedures to be carried out on the projected profit forecast was to analyse each one of the item and make a comment, e.g. Revenue – the forecast for 2015 showed a 22% increase from 2014; however the 2015 to 2016 only showed a mere 2%; we need to ensure that the expected patrons reconcile with the price @$10.00
etc etc……that is my opinion
June 3, 2014 at 12:13 am #173050What a stinker of a paper, yet again, my wrist trembling after 3 hours of non stop writing! ……to the examiner, what are you testing here? My knowledge ? Or whether I can fill an answer book in 3 hours??
June 3, 2014 at 12:34 am #173057AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Generally it was a good paper, questions meet professional expectation for someone aspiring to be a member of ACCA. However, the time runs so fast. I wonder if its a speed work they are testing or the knowledge you possess. But on a whole it was a good paper.
June 3, 2014 at 12:44 am #173058AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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No it wasn’t intra group…. The clothes are sent to Lynott Co for recycling. That’s my thoughts anyway… I LCD be wrong
June 3, 2014 at 3:06 am #173069I was tempted to write about Forex change fluctuation as an Audit Risk ..But in the Question it was clearly stated that both the Group n Foreign Sub use same currency. So i didn’t write that point :S
June 3, 2014 at 4:21 am #173073AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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anyone knw wat to write in Q5 first part.. going concern iaasb? disclosures
June 3, 2014 at 4:27 am #173075AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Impossible to complete the paper in 3hrs… Attempt only 80% :(.
June 3, 2014 at 4:55 am #173077@favx14
I wrote that there is a ROMM if the going concern status is incorrect and the matter should be disclosed by the auditor in an EOM. I then defined EOM and its benefits to users of the F/S’s
June 3, 2014 at 6:15 am #173089AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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For q 1, the foreign currency point is genuine cause this is the first audit we are doing so we dont know if they have been retranslated properly even if they have we dont know if they used the correct exchange rate and this sub is not
Audited by us…
June 3, 2014 at 7:40 am #173099AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Do anyone remember mark allocations? pls comment if anything not right:
Q1 – a) i) audit risk – 18
ii) other matters – 5
b) component auditor – 8
professional marks – 4Q2 – a) i) PFI engagement accept – 5
ii) PFI audit procedures – 6
b) i) money laundering – 6
ii) money laundering stages – 8Q3 – a) i) Chemicals, PPE 60 mln, R&D – ?
ii) Car sold to Related party – ?
b) ????? – ?Q5 – a) Current issue – goind concern – 8
b) Appraise the opinion – 12Thank you in advance
June 3, 2014 at 7:41 am #173100AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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My answer:
Q1(a) risk
-Nature of business – tons of transaction as manufacturer ,increase risk
-complex group structure -3 subs+1 associate increase audit risk
-intra group balance – 800k accrual payment, related party transaction disclosure in individual acc
-unrealized profit in inventories- transfer between co in same group
-brand – impairment review
-goodwill – impairment review since many years never chg structure
-bonus scheme – performance based , vesting purpose must satisfied
-revenue – analytical review, maybe fraudulent reporting to gain bonus scheme
-associate- classification (20% but may not be significant influence)
-investment properties – very material , FV based on estimate/judgement , riskQ1(c) matter to be considered -ISA 600
technical competence / unmodified for many years /small firm / independent issue/ memberQ2(a) matter to be considered PFI
intended user/ assumption whether hypothetical / fee / technical competence / understanding of entity / limited assuranceQ2(b) procedures
-discuss why tax is not included
-obtain breakdown of finance cost , check in line with loan
-if not , ask whether any other loan has settled
-discuss price elasticity – increase from 7 to 10 , affect volume
-obtain breakdown of operating cost
-confirm whether depreciation has increased since purchase capital asset
-confirm whether staff cost has increasedQ2(c) stages
Define placement, layering and intergration – link to the caseQ2(d) elements to counter money laundering
-clear reporting procedure
-good internal control system
-money laundering report officer
-maintain record 5 years ,facilitate forensic auditing for proactive purpose
-audit committee – facilitate reporting and internal controlQ3(a)(i) matters to be consider
PPE / going concern / emphasis of matter paragraph / accounting treatment for research /materiality / risk /provision of legal liability
Q3(a)(i) evidence
Asset registered listing confirm existence PPE / obtain expert to confirm impact of regulatory compliace/ dissusion note / minutes of board meetingQ3 (a)(ii) matters to be consider
materiality – nt material to company but may material to manager/ risk do nt disclose /not at arm length / nt yet pay-fraud / loan
Q3 (a)(ii) evidence
Sales agreement of the car / invoice / disclosure note in finacial statement / minutes of board meetingQ3(b) action to be taken(prior year mistake- unaudited account)
seek legal advice / discuss with partner (no more idea from me =( )Q4 (a) business risk and risk of material misstatement
Define and linkQ4 (b) planning ( service organisation on payroll)
-execute transaction and maintain accountability , hence must planning to audit
-obtain understanding of service orginasation(nature,financial strength, relationship of the service,etc )
-CAAT may assist
– if internal control good ,test system
-if internal control bad, test operation and systemQ4(c) matter to be consider before giving advice on tender
fee / conflict of interest since audit client /safeguard/ obtain understanding of entity / technical competenceQ4(d) joint venture with audit client
independence / safeguard / limited knowledge in business fieldJune 3, 2014 at 7:45 am #173102AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Mark allocation:
Q1 – a) i) audit risk – 18
ii) additional info – 5
b) component auditor – 8
professional marks – 4Q2 – a) i) PFI engagement accept – 6
ii) PFI audit procedures – 8
b) i) money laundering stages– 5
ii) elements to encounter money laundering– 6Q3 – a) i) Chemicals, PPE 60 mln, R&D – 8
ii) Car sold to Related party – 7
b) prior year unaudited account – 5Q5 – a) Current issue – going concern – 8
b) Appraise the opinion – 12June 3, 2014 at 8:04 am #173109I did mention that the transfer price to Lynott is expected to be relatively high as there could be material waste due to recycling the luxury silk clothing and also (not mentioned) the cost of labour for processing the luxury clothing is it taken into account in the transfer price. If so, despite having cheap labour in Lynott, the transfer price could be relatively high.
June 3, 2014 at 9:05 am #173148Does the same functional curency mean the same reporting currency ? I think if they have the same functional curency but diferent reporting curency and the subsidury is autonomous it requires translation
June 3, 2014 at 9:25 am #173156I talk about inherent risk , control risk and detection risk question 1
June 3, 2014 at 9:35 am #173161Do all have the same reporting curency?
June 3, 2014 at 9:47 am #173166.
June 3, 2014 at 9:57 am #173173Q1 – audit risk
Inventory
Intra group transactions
Revenue ( inherent risk due to scheme attached )
lynott company controls ( control risk ) as new
Investment revaluation ( who did that internally / externally )
Associate ( demonstrate significant control )
Brand – impairment
Clapton co ( as subs material and component auditor ) always risk
One more i dont rememberQ2 – pfi procedures
– Obtain a break up of operating expenses and verify the expenses against payroll record , and for dep expense
– Review board minutes to confirm the approval of capital expenditure
– Discuss with management and confirm the charging of price increase from September instead of May
– Obtain a loan application from the management and verify the finance cost as the increase in finance cost doesn’t look appropriate considering $8m
– confirm the remaining half of the funding of $8m against cash book/bank statement
– break up of cap expenditure and verify the expenses against supplier quotations etcFew of the procedures arenot linked to profit and loss but it was necessary for the proper examination of profit and loss.
The point i missed was . Increase in ticket price was reasonable or not they can be confirm through competitions prices
Q5- going concern disclosures !
Because identification of all going concern event / situations can lead to
Better understandability
Reliability
Transparency
Independence
Better decision makingThere was so much to write on that , something u really need to add to make ur answer strong.
June 3, 2014 at 10:06 am #173175Isnt pfi supposed to just be analytical procedures and enquiry if management? I remember from my reading that pfi doesnt have any substantative procedures.
Thats why its limited or negative assurance
June 3, 2014 at 10:24 am #173179It was a fair paper. My audit risks were written each under subsidiary and the associate.
Audit risks are:
No cumulative auditor’s knowledge and experience
Opening balances may be mistated since we were just appointed.
The brands name overvalued cos its been held at original cost-no amortisation and impairment.
Stewart co. Classification as associate may be wrong despite having 25% cos the Group may not participate in the operating and financial policies. The date of acquistion is Jan so part of the profit should be taken and not the whole.
Translation risk cos of location overseas.
One sub has 200 depts- control may be weak in some depts
Bonus scheme- Rev may be overstated to get the bonus.Just trusting in God for the best
June 3, 2014 at 10:42 am #173184Q1 i wrote
a)Risks
IAS 28
-investment in associate maybe wrongly classified as associate- however more than 25% so may not be a risk
-associate acquired on January so only for 5 months- risk of not taking that into account for profit and loss
-brand at historic cost- ias 38 no amortization – no impairment
-ias 21 (wrong dint see it was the same currency)
-inter company transactions-risk of non elimination
-inventory in transit risky -as sub transfer inventory in other subs
-ias 2 inventories lower of cost or NRV if the goods were transferred at no price then NRV Zero risk that was not recognized at lower of ..
-New IT system risk of errors made
-all these were made with comments on their materiality(I am so pissed that I forgot opening b/ces unaudited ias 24 disclosures,
Ias 40 investmet property and no ratios)b) other info
-copies /documentation from the acquisition of associate I don’t expect much here
-the financial ration to obtain an analysis of the groupC) matters on component auditors
-same ethical requirements as the group auditors
-their competence,qualification,standards.
if they are part of a network of audit firma
-resources to be involved with consolidation as it is small firmprocedures( confirmation of belonging to a network of firms, written representation that they comply with all ethical standards and one more dont remember…. unfortunately i could not find others
Q2
a)
nature of assumptions
–distribution of the report
–use of the report not thoroughly explain though
Period cover
–responsibilities of mgt
Limited assuranceb)
Procedures-don’t rememberc)
– money laundering stages not thoroughly explained againelements to encounter money laundering
-appoint a MLRO
Training of employees in the firm didn’t write as much as I would
Identification proceduresQ4
a)Explain business risk, f/s risk related with going concernb) Outsourced payroll
I I wrote 2 lines about what is outsourcing (don’t expect marks here)
Also that auditors should have unrestricted access to the payroll from the outsource org to obtain evidencesc) matter to be consider before giving advice on tender
– Conflict of interest
– Safeguards
Advocacy thread
Non audit serviced) joint venture with audit clien
-self interest thread
-business relationships prohibited unless immaterial
-less critism on clients if client go to events that has a motive for profit
All these very summarisedQ5
a) 3 lines about going concern should be disclosed if there is significant uncertainty
b)report
-reference to the appropriate ISA 706
-basis of opinion and opinion paragraph should be included
-The paragraph was not explained adequately
-Materiality I wrote that was correctly included but apparently is wrong since the materiality was wrongly based
-impact on the financial statement if not corrected reference to IFRS9 financial asset receivablesAbout the claim
-Immaterial so no impact on audit opinion
-EOP inappropriate since only highlights significant matters-Disclaimer of opinion not appropriate as it’s only made when a matter is pervasive and -lack sufficient appropriate evidence
Audit opinion
I accidentally thought that the 50 000 was 500 000 and if was taken together with the 2.5m of receivable would have become 3m so pervasive and Adverse opinion (GGrrr So mad)Overall I attempted 90% I am so pissed that I didnt had the time to write something more on all the question as I was time was a biiiigggg issueee
I pray for a pass its my 3rd attempt and i still not understand why i didnt pass previous time
June 3, 2014 at 10:45 am #173185IT was a good time pressured exam the scenario were familiar ,though time was an issue hope to pass
June 3, 2014 at 11:43 am #173204The exam was extremely time pressured as there were a lot of things to write!
Q1… as soon as I saw that auditors were appointed recently I went into ISA315 and talked at length about the need to gain an understanding of the client in order to assess the risks of material misstatements…such things as nature of operations, ownership and governance structures, internal control, financial performance measures etc…needless to say I was overly obsessed with ISA 315 that I didn’t have sufficient time to really go into the financial statement risks.
I managed to mention the associate classification could be a risk as 25% isn’t sufficient unless management can demonstrate significant influence! Also, inventory transfer within group is intercompany, shld be eliminated, NRV = zero, risk of overstatement, not correctly recorded, inventories in transit…new system is a risk because if it’s not integrated into sales/ general ledger, errors could arise, investment properties must fulfill ICE criteria (especially as it’s overseas we can’t verify if it’s empty of the group, hence classification might be wrong), forgot to mention FV as a risk! 200 stores is definitely a risk as we can’t attend stock counts and we may not have sufficient time and resources to gather enough evidence as per these stores!.
I didn’t calculate ratios so my question paper was clean & untouched on the numbers bit. But I mentioned that revenue was a risk as bonus is dependent on it!…I thought the 800k management charge was subsequent event IAS 10 (due in September), I bet it was only me that thought that (dumb maybe!)….
Q2. PFI was basically things like fees, threats to objectivity, risks, financial health of client, who the report is for( we may be held liable if client defaults on interest and principal payments as bank would be relying on forecasts) etc…. Procedures was mainly analytical and enquiry as they are just forecasts although some of the figures may be actuals like rent, staff salaries etc.
Money laundering, remembered only placement and layering but still mentioned the transfers overseas….
Other sections were fairly okay but time was seriously not my friend!
I thought the q3a was a bit tricky and it needed a provision (may be for decontamination) which should be present valued, research costs should be expensed as incurred. Didn’t know how to deal with the 60k ppe so I left it…
Car to FD is related party transaction that shld be recognised at 75k and not 50k…disclosure also required!
That’s how much I can remember for now.
I am seriously hoping that I atleast get more than enough marks to pass by God’s grace!
June 3, 2014 at 12:24 pm #173218AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Stock held at various locations could bear risk of out of date stock and over valued inventories. In addition there is a risk of inaccurate stock counts due to new stock system in operation.
I thought this question had a lot of time pressure.
June 3, 2014 at 2:29 pm #173233i was baffled during the exam on how i spend 2 hours on Qs 1 the remaining one hour 15 mins i spend on 3 qs altogether :S. I am hoping & praying for just a 50. Qs 5 was very straightforward but i believe in part b the opinion was adverse and not disclaimer i missed that part 🙁
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