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- December 2, 2013 at 7:49 pm #149308AnonymousInactive
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Hi aneza
I was the exact same – spent way too much time on q1 which meant I couldn’t even attempt one of the 20 marker question. So automatically I am down to 80 marks. Qn 2 was a disaster – just wrote down bullet points for the 16 mark part of that qurstion. Q4 was only so so but again lengthy. I just think the whole exam requires too much detail for very little marks & time. I knew the stuff very well but just struggled on time. I really think this paper should be reviewed and changed to make it more passable. Am absolutely gutted. This is my second attempt on P7 – I sat it last June and felt much better after that one but I still failed it. I’m facing P5 on Thursday so I hope that goes better!!!December 2, 2013 at 7:55 pm #149310emmalin77: but Q4 it wasn’t only a question for ethical and professional issue but also recommendation of actions to be taken. so … all in all it can be 6-8 points per each case.
And indeed … time management was a key issue here. In 15 minutes time I checked the length and overall content of each case study and what was asked to do in Q3, Q4 and Q5 and I quickly decided which two I will follow, Remaining time I spent on reading very carefully the Q1 (the longest case study). Q2 I’ve read and I spent one hour for Q1 (after 45 minutes writing I realised that I need to speed up as it takes too long time to answer question 1!). Q2 I made in 45 minutes (including reading). So for the remaining two questions I had 1 hour and 15 minutes – plenty of time for reading and answering. I finished 7 minutes before the end so I had time to check if everything was ok. That’s it.
Tomorrow P4 …. greater challenge for sure, also for time management! πDecember 2, 2013 at 8:05 pm #149315AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Def a resit. Q2 was horrendous didnt even look at due dilligence struggled to answer anything on it!
December 2, 2013 at 8:16 pm #149318AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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First Two Question Were As Expected As 5Th Was 2 The Hardest Question of the paper was Question 3
December 2, 2013 at 8:31 pm #149325AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Whp Attempted Q3
December 2, 2013 at 8:36 pm #149327AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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A very lengthy and confusing question. ……….
December 2, 2013 at 10:04 pm #149340What was question 3 and question 5?
I can’t remember them but I did do them both. I remember the end of 5 but nothing else!December 2, 2013 at 10:31 pm #149341Yes Kasia of course, hence my previous posts before that stating you can’t harp on about self-review threats for 6 marks, probably 2 marks (one mark identifying and one mark for action) and that is why it is obvious there are two other professional issues, such as only one partner is qualified actuary etc etc….Self-review was the topic of either part a or b (can’t remember), the examiner isn’t going to use the same theme for all three. I was just stating it is nothing to do with it being a listed company.
December 2, 2013 at 10:49 pm #149343AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Hated question 1 and Q2 b so lengthy, lost alot of time on question 2 b so rushed question 1 did these 2 last.. π think I’m going to fail
December 2, 2013 at 11:03 pm #149344Provision of non audit service to listed audit client is allowed if it is immaterial to financial statement and it was immaterial to FS so allowed but there should be seperate team with seperate partners ! Actuary partner shouldnt involve with audit and independent partner review should be required to mitigate the self review threat π !!
in due diligence i wroteEffectivesness of internal controls
Condition attached to venture capital comp loan
Market share of Mizzen co
Cashflow forecast and the growth considering the claim that growth increased dramatically !!
Organizational structure
Penalities attached with venture capital loan because early repayment may impose penalties
Staff level and their skills and experties so mgmt decide who to retain .Further info
Balance sheet
Cashflow forecastπ
YA ALLAH MADAD π
December 2, 2013 at 11:31 pm #149345Hi All,
If you genuinely do think the exam was too time pressured then you should give this feedback to ACCA.
I just called ACCA connect and they gave me this email address to send my feedback saying feedback is taken into
consideration….The email address is students@accaglobal.com
Good luck!
December 3, 2013 at 2:03 am #149353AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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why there are so many pple here asking for questions right after the exam finished? is there any countries that have not start the exam yet due to the time different? if yes, it would be unfair to those early seater.
December 3, 2013 at 2:58 am #149357Question 3.
Accident happened in a Coal mine and caused flood in one third of the tunnels. I think there’s something collapse. Local village destroyed, and 20 residents have to relocate else where. Company paying for the relocation costs. As for the tunnels, they are still waiting for lawyer advice to see whether the tunnel can be repaired or have to be dismantle completely.(a) Matters to consider (7marks)
(b) Evidence expect to find (7 marks)
(c) Management did not want to disclose the accident (I think they breach the health and safety law) (6 marks)(a) I talked about IAS36 Impairment of the tunnels, IAS37 Provision of relocation costs and dismantle/ repair costs.
(b) Letter of insurance claim for existence. Breakdown of relocation costs for adequacy. Legal letter from lawyer for expected outcome. Mining agreement especially on health & safety.
(c) I talked about duty of confidentiality. This is under public interest, on health & safety. Disclose under voluntary obligation. Management intention to cover up question their integrity. I think 6 marks can talk about if management refuses, auditor can challenge in AGM, communication with TCWG, seek legal advice, or lastly choose to resign.I did not have time to read the 3 optional question. I just remember my lecturer told us to do the longest question because long means easy. Question 3 is longer than question 4 so I just did it. And Question 5 is Audit report my lecturer say that’s a bonus must choose 5.
But this round Question 5 require so many things, so difficult. In 3 hours want this want that and want everything. Nowadays, the examiner is getting greedier and greedier.
I got no time to finish question 1, question 2.. I wondered how come the guy sitting behind me can ask for a second booklet when I didn’t even write till the middle of my booklet… =(((( Sigh…. I just hope for a p.a.s.s..
December 3, 2013 at 3:08 am #149358slumber1986: Everybody sit for exam already. This is a worldwide paper I remember I read about people waking up at 3am to take the exam.
December 3, 2013 at 3:11 am #149359AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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sorry, my bad, a bit weird when the earliest comment was asking about the question.
December 3, 2013 at 3:47 am #149362AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Easy and tricky exam I did well but I am not sure about the quality of the answer I attempt about 85%
December 3, 2013 at 5:23 am #149370AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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I attempted 100% you can say, was just writing the final sentence when they snatched my paper. I would say I wasn’t too well prepared, basically relying on experience of working plus taking this exam again and again. I found it quite general too I suppose. The optional questions went ok, especially the last one was easy.
For due diligence I mentioned everything I could think of and said that there would be agreed upon procedures thus that was a benefit and the report will be limited assurance, as in negative assurance. I never dared to open my book and check if I was right or wrong. Unfortunately after reading this thread I have come to realise I did not mention the inventories in transit in relation with IAS 2 at all. I said it was a general business inherent risk that such a material amount was in transit and a provision might be needed in case of theft and loss. I suppose I thought too far off rather than simple?
December 3, 2013 at 6:35 am #149376Feel the same, not having enough info to make up the points…..only PL and the growth rate was too high and seems unreasonable.
December 3, 2013 at 7:56 am #149383AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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It was tough for me. Didn’t anticipate q2 so guessed all the way. My time management was poorer than last attempt. Will retake this paper June 2014!
December 3, 2013 at 8:32 am #149387AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Hello, you can see that question 2 was disaster. We hope all the best.
December 3, 2013 at 8:34 am #149390Question 2 was hell al the best guys
December 3, 2013 at 8:37 am #149393How do u give ur feedback to ACCA? I dun think it was a fair ppr =\
December 3, 2013 at 8:39 am #149395M wid u..I hope more ppl do the same
December 3, 2013 at 8:56 am #149403What is the right answer about Q4 – actuarial services?
December 3, 2013 at 9:17 am #149413Well due diligence is fact finding report . I dont think we give any negative assurance there.
I just checked few financial due diligence report on internet and they all have conclusions rather than any opinion π
Do you guys have any idea ?
Question asked the difference between conclusion ( not opinion ) of due diligence and opinion in audit ?
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