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- December 7, 2014 at 1:18 am #219032
P5, NO COMMENT PLEASE!!!
December 7, 2014 at 8:04 am #219057Can someone pls remind me the requirements to question. 1……
December 8, 2014 at 6:41 am #219254Question one consumed too much time which made run out of time to cover the optional questions….so i lost a lot of marks, and because of that i doubt to get 50 mark in order to pass.
December 8, 2014 at 12:01 pm #219357I think we should all remember that we are professional people and the ACCA code of conduct requires us to act professionally and with integrity at all times. It is therefore unprofessional to attack the ACCA examiner because the questions are hard, time pressured or obscure. P5 like all other ACCA papers are challenging and will always be regardless of which paper or what examiner, that is why when one passes, there is a sense of achievement and satisfaction.
Just like syed above says, you will appreciate this examiner when you find yourself in a position where the FD or CFO stands on your desk wanting answers there and then without giving you the time the P5 examiner allows in 3 hrs 15 min. What will you do then? Turn on your boss and attack him/her for not giving you time to think? This is like a daily occurrence in the workplace. And wherever I have worked, whenever there is a query concerning any area of the company, the first port of call has always been the Finance Department. My advice is P5 is an optional paper. If you don’t like it, there are 3 other options to choose from.
We students are ACCA stakeholders and so are the examiners. The difference is we have high interest but no power and yet the examiners do have the power (Mendelow’s matrix). The best way to beat the examiner is to get 50% or more.
Let us therefore use this cohort to learn from each other’s mistakes in the exam hall and do better next time.
December 8, 2014 at 2:15 pm #219385rab22it01
I have over 30 years work experience and I have never had an FD or CFO stand on my desk wanting answers there and then – If you do I suggest you move jobs – I certainly would!
I addition my work experience is in Law firms, so I would not expect to have expert knowledge on (taking my questions from the Dec Exam) An multinational engineering Company, Local Authority, Mining company.
In addition we are being tested on theory. Most of which is never used in the work place.
So is it too much to ask that the examiner makes it clear what his requirements are.
This is my last exam and I have gone through a number of past papers and thought “I’m not sure what all the fuss is about – these questions seem straightforward”.
However, after taking the exam I see what the problems are, when reading and writing at speed (as you have to) you do need very clear requirements and this examiner does not do that. He mixed up core parts of his question within the scenario.
For example in q1 (iii) of the recent exam he asks in the requirements “Benchmark Boltzman against General Machines as suggested by the CEO, evaluating the approach to benchmarking used” it is only within the scenario that you read that you are only to use certain calculations. Reading it now it appears simple, but it’s very hard when you are speed reading and your brain is rushing at speed.
The other thing I would say about this examiner is his points allocation. They do not seem to tie up with the work required. Sometimes you are expected to do a huge amount for very little, sometimes the opposite.
As for you comment “If you don’t like it, there are 3 other options to choose from.” I think that is what a lot of people are doing, which is a shame because it is a very interesting subject.
December 8, 2014 at 4:10 pm #219436My sequence of completing the exam is question 2, question 1 and then question 4.
I spent also too much time on question 2, trying to score as many marks, then I tried to wrap it up quickly and start question 1.
I find question 1 very tricky. Part ii) and iii) were so confusing… You really have to read the case to identify what the examiner wanted you to do. I re-read that part of the case at least 5 fives, to make sure I did the right thing.
You are only supposed to evaluate whether the performance measures listed in Appendix 1 are appropriate to the stakeholders they mentioned. It is not until part iii) that you actually have to do the calculations for the mentioned performance measures and then suggest 2 more performance measures (remember the case said maximum 7 performance measures, and I think there were 5 already in the Appendix 1).
I’d say compared to the past exams that I practiced on, the exam itself is quite decent, nothing too difficult and not do-able, you just have to watch out for time.
Good luck to everyone, and I’m also hoping to scores above 50%. Fingers crossed!!
December 9, 2014 at 2:41 am #219559Guys….What it will be if i suggested 3 additional performance measures instead of two(mentioned in question), i did one extra for benchmarking purpose? Do examiner penalised mark thinking that i wrote 1 extra?
December 9, 2014 at 11:28 am #219650The exam was indeed time pressured.Question 1 appeared fare but looking at it critically there were some areas that can easily be overlooked and lose a lot of marks.Imagine I ignored that one of the main objective of the company was to be the quality supplier so there was need to incorporate quality measures for the benchmarking exercise.
Putting fingers crossed.
May the almighty God bless us.
December 9, 2014 at 8:04 pm #219866AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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it was my second attempt of P5 .but this paper is relatively more clear than previous one but one of the most difficult test was to manage the time well . ..i would like to share my approaches that i have used in question no1 and would like to see if any one here have done the same .
Question no1 :Part A)first i have described the five facets of performance prism and then relate the 3 initiatives with all the facet.
Part B) i have used mandelow’s stake holder mapping to analyse the power and interest of each stakeholders given.and relate the performance measure with those stakeholders. ROCE and EVA went with shareholders but EVA was the more relevant measure as it shows the underlying performance of the business and average pay per employee went with employees , revenue growth with customers and net profit margin with suppliers to check how effectively business is controlling their cost .
Part C)i have simply calculated all the given ratios for boltzman and general machines from the data given . and suggested two measure and added their justification . two measures was asset turnover and current ratio .. as both companies were involved in manufacturing business so i thought its relevant to check how efficiently they are using their resources and how effectively they are managing their working capital need.
Part D) i thought about the requirements to implement JIT system and described 4 or 5 of them in a way that if the organisation lacks these requirement then it will be a problem for an organisation to implement JIT system.
December 10, 2014 at 2:39 am #219912My sequence of attempting P5:
Q.NO.1 a) I explained 5 facets of prism given by Nelly & Adams and linked to 3 initiative:
1st Initiative-Staheholder Analysis: Stakeholder satisfaction
Initiative of benchmarking:Capabilities
Initiative of introducing JIT: StrategyQ.NO.1 b) Used Mendelow’s Matrix as mgmt approach and linked performance measures to those stakeholders
Net Profit Margin, Roce, EVA-shareholders, although EVA is better than traditional profit measures but shareholders are interested in future performance,so TSR would be better.
Average Pay per Employee- Employees
Revenue Growth-Although not directly linked to Customers, nevertheless it can be measured as customer’s satisfaction since if customers were not satisfied with those bespoke products they wouldn’t buy their products thus revenue would fall.
No specific Measure for SupplierQ.No.1 c) I calculated those given performance measures in appendix(I forgot to write assumptions for EVA)+ 2/3 additional performance measures such as Fixed Assets Turnover & Revenue per Employee. I did benchmarking exercise based on those calculations,it seems Boltzman has done better compared to General Machines.
Q.No.1 d) I wrote 5-6 points on problems of JIT such as there would be chance of defective products being sent to customers since there would be few room for testing, Boltzman may be unable to meet unexpected demand made by customers, employees may feel hurry/time constrained in producing products thus they may overlook quality,
Culture & Values of Employees may need to be changed in JIT…..THEN I LOOKED CLOCK, there was just 1 hour left for another 50 marks……I spent 45 minutes for Q.No.2 which was about Proposed Investment linking to environment goal of reducing carbon emissions & environment related techniques-Input/Output Analysis, Lifecycle Costing
ANOTHER FINAL 15 minutes left, then i ignored scenario and attempted Q.NO.3 related to NFPIs & Value For Money, it was good experience though..
Overall My performance
Q.NO.1=Good
Q.NO.2=Satisfied
Q.No.3=PoorFinger crossed for furious 50……
December 10, 2014 at 10:25 am #219953You and others like you must be new to P5 and green on job experience… P5 especially is exam based. You have to learn how to pass the paper more than you need to grasp the content… those who have passed mastered what the examiner wants… Question is, should that be the backbone of a professional paper (how to master exam technique)?? Your guess is as good as mine
And by the way u have asked those who have problems to change to other papers, i guess your knowledge of P-Level is quite shallow too. ACCA has written many articles and given numerous video talks and lectures on the modalities of chosing the optional papers.. i suggest you go look at them for your own good. But as a start, the pass rate is not one of them
December 10, 2014 at 4:44 pm #220034Hard to say.
Hopefully scrape a pass.
December 10, 2014 at 4:56 pm #220041Hi Kibalka,
Sorry to hear that you are annoyed about P5. Hope your result cheers you up. In life, generally the difficult things are more rewarding.
When it comes to timing in exam, I found it helpful not to do the compulsory question first. Leave it till last. Also, if a question is for 5 marks, then I multiply it by 1.5, which will be 7.5, but only count it as 7 minutes. Similarly, a 10-mark question will be 14 minutes, not 15. By reducing the timing by one minute, I got time to read the scenario and finish within time. I prefer to read slowly so I do not have to keep reading again and again. This December I finished P5 exam 15 minutes early! Then realised that in one of the questions (4a) I had forgotten to calculate the ratios, which I did in those 15 minutes.
Hope my comments help. I very much sympathise with students struggling to pass.
December 11, 2014 at 5:57 am #220133AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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I Advise you all, stay calm and be professional. Record your point of view with ACCA at this link https://www.webropolsurveys.com/Answer/SurveyParticipation.aspx?SDID=Uni881233&SID=a434d9d6-56e8-43c2-8021-e00687fa8cb9&utm_medium=email&utm_source=ACCA&utm_campaign=5109809_SDS+-+ACCA+Exam+Feedback+Survey+-+List+No+3&dm_i=47A,31IR5,20DTG6,AXLIV,1&dy=2094129908
I Received following email from ACCA. I again advise be professional.
“ACCA EXAM AND STUDY FEEDBACK
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DECEMBER 2014Dear student
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December 11, 2014 at 11:38 am #220202Those are generic emails which comes after exams I doubt whether ACCA takes the comments serious.
December 14, 2014 at 3:50 am #220491Questions were not so tough but time pressured, we even forgot to write basic points bcoz of time pressure….
December 14, 2014 at 8:48 am #220501AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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one of my colleague got email as follows
“Hi All
please do the poll sent by acca
I’m sure you got the email concerning this.
I was told by a friend of mine, who is already a member and goes to ACCA meetings that they do take into consideration these polls. What is more important, if it wasn’t the pass rate would be far worse… They consider it and apply the marking to the overall performance, so please do not forget to do it! it’s really for our own sake.
all the best”
December 14, 2014 at 12:51 pm #220511@jacob you are so right! i even forgot kpi’s because of pressure. I could not just think!! something i am ordinarily very good at!
Anyway, i wrote that in the survey…
December 24, 2014 at 12:42 am #221553The questions for the December 2014 paper have been out for a while. Why hasn’t any of the tuition providers even attempted to give their solutions to this paper? Hmmm…
December 30, 2014 at 1:20 pm #221806AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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i hope i did enough to pass
January 13, 2015 at 4:37 am #222446Hi Friends, Answer for P5(Dec 14) paper is published by ACCA
January 14, 2015 at 1:28 pm #222609Had a look at the answers.
It may be just me, but the answers are terrible. To take question 2 as an example (the question I thought I had answered the best).
Part a) Asks “Explain why non-financial indicators are particularly useful for public sector organisations”
The answer states “Public sector organisations have a number of problems which can be at least partially addressed with the use of NFPI”. Maybe it is me but “particularly useful” and “partially addressed” are not the same.
Part b) Is badly laid out with large paragraphs included within which are some numbers. There are no calculation workings and it is hard to follow.
The points raised appear far too simple. He has done various simple calculations and just commented in basic terms, I was expecting far more analysis.
One point in particular caught my eye.
In the exam it mentions collection days as being 14 as against an average of 12. I had thought he had put this in as a trap, because yes there is a longer delay. However no local authority would collect every 12 days as that means bins would have to be put out on different days. All local authorities have either a 7 or 14 day cycle so the public know collection day is say a Monday every week/fortnight.However, he does ignore that and answers that collections below average and could cause a health hazard!
Part c) Most of the answer is a bog standard textbook reply with little reference to BLA and very weak suggestions.
A point I raised was it is harder to implement standards, therefore making it more difficult to benchmark. For example it states that BLA has based it’s complaints on letters and telephone calls. How do we know that is the same way they recorded complaints nationally.
I’m hoping that whoever marks my exam understands the points I made and does not follow this guys script otherwise I will be retaking in June!
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