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*** P5 December 2012 Exam *** Instant Poll and comments***

Forums › ACCA Forums › ACCA APM Advanced Performance Management Forums › *** P5 December 2012 Exam *** Instant Poll and comments***

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  • December 7, 2012 at 6:50 am #110467
    halbesri
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    I did not expect such exam/questions (q1,q2,q3) and it seems for most of those who commented above.so we are all wrong that we concentrated on certain areas of the syllubus,so while the question q1is a little bit not clear on the requirement and lengthy as usual,it is some what easier than previous one had we been prepared for all the areas.So for me q1 is the same as for every one i DID Q3 & Q4 AFTER Q1 AND LASTLY Q2.I was put of by q2 first but when I finally came to do it regreted because I stared doing rolling budget which was ok but then time was up.I expect a pass,atleast the majic one.good luck every one

    December 7, 2012 at 8:18 am #110468
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    Did anyone else write about how they should use non financial measures instead of net income in q1b? Or did I completely miss the point?!

    December 7, 2012 at 8:32 am #110469
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    @elliem said:
    Did anyone else write about how they should use non financial measures instead of net income in q1b? Or did I completely miss the point?!

    Everyone i suppose could not miss this point, however given time pressure i suppose again very little included it in answer, i just wondering why put an exam under so so …. time pressure? does the terminator can eat his paper under 3 hours?

    December 7, 2012 at 9:03 am #110470
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    @elliem said:
    Did anyone else write about how they should use non financial measures instead of net income in q1b? Or did I completely miss the point?!

    I was thinking the same, I wrote non financial performance measures, but no one seems to have mentioned about it all. Am I writing irrelevant points?

    December 7, 2012 at 9:03 am #110471
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    does anyone know when results will be out?

    December 7, 2012 at 11:07 am #110472
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    8th February
    ACCA is trying improve in terms of getting out result quicker, But CIMA is still ahead waiting time only 6-7 weeks, besides you canretake the xam in CIMA within two months of your relust

    December 7, 2012 at 11:08 am #110473
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    Did anyone tried Q5 a)?

    December 7, 2012 at 11:25 am #110474
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    Q1

    Report format
    Introduction
    3-4 lines
    Sections
    1) Compared divisions performance
    2) Mentioned about EVA, ROI, RI against Net Income. Mentioned Net Income can manipulated. In addition wrote about benefits of the alternative measures. But I now regret that I should have mentioned about Non-Financial Measures like quality and etc. Also I mented about that they do not have a control over Capital expenditure
    3) Remuneration Policy. For directors Fixed salary is ok , but bonus being based on net come is dangerous as it leads to disfuntional decsions makings, short termism and etc. And mentioned about commissions (I think it was wrong). I should have mentioned about EVA which long term, or smth else. Fo buying and creative staff I thought based on piece work would be appropriate to reward them with commissions rather than bonus on total income, the reason for that they are more motivated for being recognized for individual work, (because of the nature of the business i.e. advertising company)
    Conclusion
    I mentioned that in general company is doing very well despite current economic conditions and stiff competitions from new entries, this may be due to this company have been established for long time and have got a good reputation.
    I suggested they need to look at improvement of performance measuring choice . And Reward/remuneration policy should set up in a way that should be clear, have a motivation to retain the talented staff further with the company. And controllable for divisional managers (basically I thought of building blocks.

    December 7, 2012 at 11:45 am #110475
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    @elliem said:
    Did anyone else write about how they should use non financial measures instead of net income in q1b? Or did I completely miss the point?!

    Yes I recommended to use the Balance scorecard . complete disaster of an exam for me though. fingers crossed.

    December 7, 2012 at 11:49 am #110476
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    do you remeber if the questions has specific for on financial mesure or just asked other measure ?

    December 7, 2012 at 11:50 am #110477
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    sorry what I meant to ask is if the requirement specified we need to talk about non financial measures as opposed to net income

    December 7, 2012 at 11:57 am #110478
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    pretty sure it just asked for other measures for each division .

    December 7, 2012 at 12:34 pm #110479
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    questions are available:

    https://www.accaglobal.com/content/dam/acca/global/PDF-students/acca/p5/exampapers/p5_2012_dec_q.pdf

    December 7, 2012 at 12:43 pm #110480
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    Quote:
    You have read about Burns and Scapens’ report ‘Accounting Change Project’ and think that it
    suggests an interesting change from your current roles of preparing and reviewing budgets and overseeing the
    production of management and financial accounts

    google is confused ))

    December 7, 2012 at 1:42 pm #110481
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    @elliem said:
    Did anyone else write about how they should use non financial measures instead of net income in q1b? Or did I completely miss the point?!

    I thought that was a subtle hint towards non-financial performance measure myself. I mentioned Balance Scorecard too (simply because I felt that it was the most suitable and also cuz I just looked at it on train on the way to the exam!).

    I think in Part 3 or as it is called now the Professional part of the exams, there is no one straight answer, and that we will be given marks if our answers are relevant to the scenario and if they made sense. It is an analysis paper after all… fingers crossed people! x

    December 7, 2012 at 1:48 pm #110482
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    Now that the questions are out…

    Question 3 – has anyone else interpreted that breaching roce would mean going above 6%??

    As a critical utility it would surely make sense not to have a large roce?

    If a lot of people read it that way do you think they may change marking? I based all my constraints on a low roce including no motivation for cost savings

    December 7, 2012 at 3:05 pm #110483
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    I think the paper is fair, we should be able to cross the marginal score….50% will do the magic. There is no wrong or right answer, remember. I wish you all the best.

    December 7, 2012 at 3:47 pm #110484
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    05008967 – I did the same as you – I think this is correct it makes sense. The government are ssetting a level they think is an acceptable return for the company – if they go over they’re fined. Therefore no incentive to improve performance/efficincy as this would improve profitability and therefore ROCE.

    msamelia – I think I sort of went down that route saying just using financial perf indicators doesn’t capture the whole picture so important to widen the range of indicators – didn’t actually say BSC, but I think what you’ve done sounds good

    December 7, 2012 at 3:49 pm #110485
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    We nid not flex our muscles over d paper.apart frm d time constraint I think the paper is fair.I see it as a test of our reasoning ability in the absence of models we already familiar with.I expect a pass by faith.

    December 7, 2012 at 10:15 pm #110486
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    Q3 Stillwater Services was based on a really, really old Paper 3.3 Dec 2000 question written by Shane Johnson, so it shows that Alex Watt really loves digging up fossils and adapting it to current times by putting in value-based management using EVA.

    Q5 was based on Burns and Scapens work on the changing role of management accountants, which was also pretty surprising given that it is quite a small scope in the syllabus (hence was completely omitted by any tips :p) But this question looks to be the easiest subjective ‘shotgun in the blind’ type of question and looks much more attemptable than the Q5 in my last previous June 2012 sitting where I couldn’t figure out what the requirement is asking for.

    I hit the nail on the head when I predicted Argenti’s corporate failure model (fortunately, Altman was still put to slumber). Hope the explanation I gave on Argenti’s model in the OpenTuition forum helped you forummers in the previous weeks. 🙂

    December 8, 2012 at 1:28 am #110487
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    @ angryhamtaro,

    BPP ACCA Exam Surgery actually did make some good predictions and the Quality Management aspect of Q5 was included. But there was an article on the changing role of management accountants in Student Accountant also.

    Did anyone utilize Six Sigma principles to answer Q5? I was really shooting in the dark.

    December 8, 2012 at 1:17 pm #110488
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    @Simmox, thanks for the highlight. Being open minded, it’s quite an interesting perspective using Six Sigma on the HS case, as Six Sigma relates to defining a problem and work towards solving and preventing it.

    When I read the question requirement asking for measures on ‘internal business processes’ and ‘customers’, the Balanced Scorecard model comes to mind, and how each SBU can be responsible for each seperate measure like the customer service department, and quality inspection in the manufacturing side.

    December 8, 2012 at 3:11 pm #110489
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    In Q1 I made reference to the Building Blocks model as it was a service company and then I started to recommend NFPI-s as well. But not for each the division, but for the Company as a whole. Because I couldn’t see what is the difference between the divisions. Besides that one of them had a very long receivables collectibility period. But otherwise… I couldn’t draw any conclusions. It was a nightmare.

    December 9, 2012 at 7:35 am #110490
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    I recommend building block model in q1 too as the same I was thinking the company is providing service. But run out of time for conclusion… Still managed attempt all four questions although Eva let myself down as I knew what to add but not due to time again!! Should have answered the q4 first but left the last when time is so limited &felt my handwriting was flying in the end!! Hope the marker can understand &have patient with reading my flying handwriting! Overall fair paper but very time pressure! Only a pass mark is all I need.

    December 9, 2012 at 1:33 pm #110491
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    @wl.obu, they used computers for marking, so there is a magnifying tool that’s always available. 😀

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