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- June 10, 2016 at 6:34 pm #322148
wait we need to add 0.5% for FRA, I thought FRA is the final rate that we are given by the bank?
June 10, 2016 at 6:35 pm #322149it would be best because compared to other hedging interest this one is the lowest one. Dont know why u adding 0.50 as this is not libor and companys rate of borrowing in the spot market
June 10, 2016 at 6:36 pm #322151I got the same for the FRA and Futures (forgot the 0.5% at the beginning for FRA. Only realised when the futures was so much higher!).
For the options, the rate increase war something like 4.9% with an exercised option. For the rate decrease it was the borrowing rate + the option premium, so something like 4.4%.It meant that forward > future at either case.
forward > option when rates go up (by around 0.2%)
option > forward when rates go down (by around 0.3%).For some reason, this seemed wrong when I did it.
I’m feeling much better now that other people got it. Lets hope we aren’t all systematically wrong.June 10, 2016 at 6:36 pm #322152AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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i can only managed to attempt question 1 and 3.
Q1. I didn’t find any loan that has been taken and there is nothing in the question which says that the capital structure of the company has been changed.The related risk adjusted cost of capital has been given as 13%.Hence i didn’t use APV.
The problem is why subsidy loan rate and cost of debt is given.In this paper every figure have to be used in a calculation.Finger crossed
Q3. with time pressured i merely tried itJune 10, 2016 at 6:37 pm #322153what about Var who remembers? I just calculated Var at 95% and commented. what about you ?
June 10, 2016 at 6:40 pm #322154Yes option when l=3.7 was 4.4 now I remember.
June 10, 2016 at 6:42 pm #322156there was given all equity financed rat and also borrowing rate actual was 5%, so I discounted financing side effects using this rate Annuity factor for 4 year at 5%.
June 10, 2016 at 6:44 pm #322159@manulik8 said:
what about Var who remembers? I just calculated Var at 95% and commented. what about you ?We were told to calculate the confidence level that the Var will be positive. and my answer was 97%. I don’t recall that we are required to calculate VAR for 95%. I didn’t do that >_<
June 10, 2016 at 6:46 pm #322162AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Finance effect cant be annuity because it has to be translated into USD first at different exchange rates before discounting so will result in different cashflows each year
June 10, 2016 at 7:30 pm #322194AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Mariam my answers are exactly matching with yr ans
June 10, 2016 at 7:31 pm #322196AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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I also assume that the project is wholly equity financed .. and did you convert the real rate in nominal ?
June 10, 2016 at 7:33 pm #322197AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Can any one just convert the 13% into the nominal rate and my ans was 16 %
June 10, 2016 at 8:15 pm #322210can anyone tell me how VAR was calculated? question wanted it at 95% confidence level which is 5% probability.
and half people are saying Q1 was APV (bcs of subsidised loan, specific project’s financial appraisal and ungeared Ke) and half Int’l Investment Appraisal (bcs of tax rates, tax treaty, exchange rates stuff). what was it actually?
in Q2 FRAs seemed better in all cases
June 10, 2016 at 8:23 pm #322212@manulik8 said:
what about Var who remembers? I just calculated Var at 95% and commented. what about you ?</June 10, 2016 at 8:38 pm #322217AnonymousInactive- Topics: 43
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For 2) The future it was 4.40 plus 0.50 less the gain on the futures which was 0.30 i believe so the rate would have been 4.60 and then wen rates went down you wud have made a loss on the futures.
June 10, 2016 at 8:42 pm #322218I also assume that the project is wholly equity financed .. and did you convert the real rate in nominal ?
No I have not adjusted this rate I have thought that this is the rate to use for discounting. Do not remember if there was said that it is the real rate, if it is the case than taking into accoun inflation will be correct.
June 10, 2016 at 8:50 pm #322221FRA gives the most beneficial rate if interest rate rises, but if they fall than option will give the best outcome. I also mentioned that FRA has credit risk. And if the company is happy with it and thinks about to protect against unfavorable outcome than FRA should use. If unhappy with credit risk than futures.
And if wants to benefit from IR decline than options, but premium need to be paid in case of options.
Also I stated that we assumed no basis risk, no transaction costs, no margin to be paid. So before taking final decision take these into account.June 10, 2016 at 9:36 pm #322233var= standerd div *z
95 confidence ris 5%
z= 165
var = 1.3 *1.65 =2.145 so it is positive
but i not finish it
fpr fra locked rate 4.75
but for future contract 35
but i do buy future at sept rate 95.65
and do call option mistak
q 1 okey but i used 13 as df for project and forget aditioal tas
q 3 not good for time presureJune 10, 2016 at 9:48 pm #322234Fair exam set. Of course not fair time-wise, as usual, but fair to gain a pass.
In my personal opinion, the 15 minutes reading time should always be spent solving the first question, specially when you see numerical like NPV calculation.
I found the first question on NPV a bit tricky but I had decided that I will not let the feeling of “Where am I going wrong?” ruin the exam. Once you set the plan of solving the answer in your 15 mins time, I believe, you should just keep moving. The important part is to attempt as much as you can as you race with time.
Hoping everyone the best
June 10, 2016 at 9:49 pm #322235fra give sam as we used fra 4v9 at 4.25
incear interest to 4.4
pay (libor+.5) =4.9%*21m*5/12 =428750
comp from bank
(4.4-4.25) .15%*21m*5/12 = 13125
net int pay 415625
eff 415625/21m*12/5 = 4.75decrese to 3.7
pay (3.7+ .5) 4.2% *21m*5/12 =367500
comp to bank (4.25-3.7) .55% *21m*5/12 = 48125
net pay 415625
samJune 11, 2016 at 12:47 am #322265Guys,
Do you actually calculate gearing based on Market value of equity instead of book value? (Q3C)
Oh gawd, just when i thought there is hope for a borderline 50, now its guaranteed fail T.T
And for Q1, I sulk big time on the timing of funds for the capital expenditure, i ended up with Y0 and Y2 instead of Y0 and Y1.
June 11, 2016 at 4:00 am #322280@stacky said:
Guys,Do you actually calculate gearing based on Market value of equity instead of book value? (Q3C)
Oh gawd, just when i thought there is hope for a borderline 50, now its guaranteed fail T.T
And for Q1, I sulk big time on the timing of funds for the capital expenditure, i ended up with Y0 and Y2 instead of Y0 and Y1.
well, If there is book value of the equity, you can use that. Am I missing that? is there any book value of equity given in the passage?
June 11, 2016 at 4:34 am #322282AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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spent 15 mins rap time for q1
spent 2 hours full doing q1
i only had 1 hour left and 2 questions to do
spent 45 mins doing q2
15 mins left no time to read the whole scenario so just wrote benefits and drawbacks of acquisition
overall, q1 & q2 were straightforward and should be easy for many but q1 was extremly time pressured, struggled to do apv calculation right
q2 time was already running low so had to amend the answers again and again, first thought no need to add 0.5 but later realised we need to..futures gave fav. result than FRA (i am afraid if it is right), options if int rate decrease would have the lowest cost
q3 had not time so could not produce calculations but requirements were not straightforward i guessi am thinking i would marginally fail so sad, thinking to switch to p5 if i fail this time
June 11, 2016 at 10:11 am #322341buy put or buy call?
buy future or sell future?June 11, 2016 at 10:17 am #322343Did anyone manage the VaR question? It asked the confidence interval for the final outcome not to be negative, which means we first had to find the probability of the outcome being between 0 and the mean of 6.5. With a std. deviation of 1.3, the std. variable is
z = (x-m)/s =(0-6.5)/1.3 = 5
However, the Tables provided in the exam stop at std. variable 3!. Does anyone have a solution for this?
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