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- December 3, 2014 at 2:15 am #216572
When I do Q1, I feel I’m a fool. Wanna cry~
December 3, 2014 at 2:43 am #216574This is what I remember from Q2.
Current Libor = 3.8%
Might increase or decrease by 0.5%This co can borrow at 5.5% or Libor + 0.4%
Counterparty can borrow at 4.6% or Libor + 0.3%
This co will get 70% of gain on swap, permium 0.1% charged by bankStrike Put
95.50 0.662
96.00 0.902Calculate the hedge option.
Did I miss anything? feel free to add.
After recalculating this at home, with sufficient time. I get the following rates:
1. Options rate ranging from 4.36% (95.50 and Libor decrease by 0.5%) to 5.34% (95.50 and Libor increase by 0.5%)
2. Swap rate of 5.04% despite increase or decrease.not sure whether this is right or wrong.
I obviously did wrong in the exam, damn. I messed up on how to recognised gain between call and put option and I didn’t add the 0.3% to the initial interest calculation.December 3, 2014 at 3:04 am #216576@ ruma – yes it was 95% & 90%
Q1 was a real disaster…I lost a lot of time just trying to sort out which figure to use.
At the end I found that 1 hr had gone by and I hadn’t done anything concrete.Q2 n Q3 was not so bad but couldn’t complete. I forgot how to do swap.
December 3, 2014 at 4:32 am #216587AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Hi team,
do you forward or represent ACCA students isues to ACCA.December 3, 2014 at 4:39 am #216589AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Hi,
it will be more effective if all of us write to acca.December 3, 2014 at 4:45 am #216593@keyboard said:
hope everyone passes.. paper was easy , i must say.. icompletd 5 minutes before the time allocated… attached additional copies ticked questions attempted..goodluck everybody
Good for you buddy, good for you, seems like you were able to tackle it well enough …… But come on, you really dont think that the word ‘easy’ describes this sitting
December 3, 2014 at 4:55 am #216597@ace91 said:
Good for you buddy, good for you, seems like you were able to tackle it well enough …… But come on, you really dont think that the word ‘easy’ describes this sittingAlso whats your take on pass percentile falling this session ??? I wrote about it few posts back.
December 3, 2014 at 5:02 am #216599AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Hi, u r cent per cent correct. The xam has been tougher and tougher each time u appear. I had the same feeling of switching the paper but last night I had chked the pass rates of p5, p6 nd p7. Almost all of them have the same pass rates. Looks like acca want to block students in the last stage as they cannot quit acca at this stage and will keep paying for xams nd membership fees.
December 3, 2014 at 5:18 am #216605AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Literaly this was a woeful mess, i had prepared so hard for this exam but to no good effect. Seriously i don’t think this paper was a doable in even 4 hrs…..
Really have wait to wait for June sitting to pass this paper now…
December 3, 2014 at 5:24 am #216606Elia-Shar-eK, my congratulations! You are very-very clever, at least in comparison with me=).But I want to ask you to advise us how to prepare to June session (which books, which revision kits and so on) and how much time it took for to prepare to exam.
December 3, 2014 at 5:31 am #216609@keyboard said:
35 to 40%.. people are smart..they are not dumb…dont trust themhahahaha , well lets hope for a pass and yup u are right the remaining questions were simple…..question 1 is what everybody struggled with .
35 to 40 % overall pass rate ???? I was asking about the pass grade it self falling below 50% because of the difficulty of the exam …. This does happen but i am not sure about ACCA take on this.
December 3, 2014 at 5:38 am #216613Wow- almost 83% for hard and disaster.
Sorry guys.I guess I was right not no choose this paper as optional. Let’s see what they have for tomorrow for P5 which I chose over P4….
December 3, 2014 at 5:54 am #216617Hey wasn’t that conditional probability? Like one of the recent articles ?
December 3, 2014 at 5:56 am #216619i really worked for this exam .. Too bad the examiner won’t see it. Meh.
December 3, 2014 at 6:05 am #216621@keyboard said:
pass marks will be 50… they will give leniency in question1 for factual errors only… but i am telling you people are only disappointed because the paper wasnt according to their expectations, they are not saying they didnt attempt well…i am quite sure… every body works hard.. they r just disappointed because they think they cannto score well like 70+…,, other than that majority will be SAFE!
May be thats the case but i believe most work hard for a pass rather than aiming to score high.Well God Bless you to bro 🙂
December 3, 2014 at 6:08 am #216623@keyboard said:
dont congratulate me just yet… God bless you 2.. may you all pass… !ok, I won’t congratulate, though I don’t have doubts that you passed, there can be doubts in the quantity of your marks: 80+ or 90+. Yes, I have only to hope on God, on His mercy…Nevertheless, can u advise on tactics of preparation which you chose?
December 3, 2014 at 6:26 am #216628AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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3 hours is not enough for such paper with so many calculations to be made. The examiner could have simplified the questions by providing some figures directly instead of having to compute ALL figures to insert in formulas for calculation.
ACCA must take into consideration these as we were not able to do SOOOO MANY in SOOOO LITTLE TIME!!! I sincerely hope that ACCA will take this into consideration.
Really disappointed after so much hard work didDecember 3, 2014 at 6:31 am #216630@muneebnawaz90 said:
Kamdar yes q1 has blacksholes and most of the people missed it because dont know what this examiner actually wants! Instead of volatality he gave probabilities n all that ! This was not just limited to blackscholes. Q1 was completely a diasaster. Used maximum time and almost all of us ran out of timeHi , how you use the probability to get the standard deviation ?
December 3, 2014 at 8:40 am #216688Now I think that the way to work out standard deviation in Q1 was to work out average return (xx) by multiplying probability with expected returns (x) and add them up . Then we should deduct average return from expected returns (x-xx). Then to work out variance =sum of p(x-xx)^2 Std deviation is square root of variance.
This is almost impossible to remember under the exam stress…December 3, 2014 at 8:52 am #216695Frankly speaking,we should now view Acca as any other profit organization,their main motive z to maximize profit,hence they trying everything possible to make sure that examz should be much harder in order to maximize revenue per student,can’t believe myself after having sleepless night preparing for this paper and in the end failing to obtain the passing mark
December 3, 2014 at 9:11 am #216700Me neither, I thought I was wrong… Why I didn’t calculate the wacc.
Can any body tell me is there a wacc calculation in any of the part in this paper.
December 3, 2014 at 9:17 am #216705Felix: I calculated the WACC to discount the cash flows on the project. Had it at 11% (rounded up) Don’t know if that was right or not but it hardly matters as I’m pretty sure I’ve failed. Was only able to attempt 75% of the paper!
December 3, 2014 at 9:34 am #216711AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Use all my leave to study for this P4 exam but in the end…..question come out like not his father business….just anyhow set the exam then is you (the student) who need to solve it…..silly examiner. attended revision class, do all past year question, do the whole revision kit with 70 question. in the end……….. kill you without notice by put in the words that seem to be understand by certain people only ( examiner ) …..wish you all the luck (examiner ) to set such question which make people (study ) sleepless after the exam.
December 3, 2014 at 9:35 am #216712If you attempt 75-80% of the paper is there any chance of passing?
I finished q1, did the theory for q2 and 3, but couldn’t finish the calculations part of q2 and q3. left out the options calculation for q2 but managed to calculate the swaps part (couldn’t form a conclusion), and for q3 calculation worked everything up to var but left out the discursive bit on Var. guessing I left out up to maybe 10 marks in q2 and up to 10 marks in q3 there.
December 3, 2014 at 10:08 am #216718AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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hi there guys!
all in all it was a fair paper, difficult indeed with tricky stuff. I will not blame the examiner for not managing to do it properly despite the fact that it s my xrd attemp after self study. However it is very clear for me that it is not time to think in the exam, it is necessary to be able to do all parts quiqly.
for q1, one silly mistake that I done is to consider retention rate 77% instead of 23%. oh, God..such silly and i know the gordon model. it was because i was in a hurry. following that , in the FCF formula, because of this error G was greater than WACC. I calculated WACC instead of using Ke, and i assume since G was greater than WACC that this can not happen in perpetuity , so I use risk free interest rate as a proxy for G.
I realised in the cab my mistake. However, can someone tell me in case this is to happen , G grater that Ke or WACC?? what is to be done? just for my curriosity?
following that I assumed probability = volatility just to move forward and use real option to value the possibility to sell the project for 50Mil.
q2 . My advice was to buy put options since the effective interest rate was lower than the fixed interest paied with Swap.
q4. fair question.
I can not evaluate based on this but I have a little hope. however, I m definetelly well prepared for this exam.
thx!
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