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- March 9, 2016 at 12:20 am #304587
I understand it is only necessary to time apportion if asked for a SPLOCI. SOFP was asked for so no need right ? It was a sub at the year end so just add across …. right ??!!!!
March 9, 2016 at 4:44 am #304602apportionment for SOCI yes, SOFP is as of year end, so no.
March 9, 2016 at 6:20 am #304609Direct 0.7 x 0.6 is 0.42
Indirect nci is 0.58
25% of the other is associate so need to include investment of associate. The share of profit is takin into account 6 months. That’s what I can remember. Think another resist is on the cardsMarch 9, 2016 at 7:12 am #304631I also did step acquisition, actually can’t remember correctly, there is a possibility that I messed it up badly, Q1 was awful.
I did 3 and 4 which were better.
I hope for 50 points, but still there is a possibility for a resit 🙁March 9, 2016 at 8:00 am #304646Elitsa what did you put for 3 and 4 roughly
March 9, 2016 at 9:18 am #3046673 a) part one factoring I said that the entity shouldn’t derecognise since all the risk are still bared by the company, second part I talk about lifetime expected losses
3b) IFRS 5 and capitalization of costs
3c) I didn’t do this part very well generally talked about leasing4 a) First time adoption, costs of implementing, retrospective, prospective such things
4b) I cant remember what was about
4) C – incorrectly treatment indefinite, CGU I write that is possible to use the new treatment it seems that I was incorrectIt seems I’m going to resit the paper, but still hoping for miracle
March 9, 2016 at 9:35 am #304675AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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whether it is a step acquistion ,or just simply a complex group ,depends on the further acquistion date .if indirect acquistion date of SS is the same date as the direct acqusition , this is simply a complex group consolidation. If the date is different ,then it is a combination of step acquisition and complex group
March 9, 2016 at 10:08 am #304686The Acq of sub 1 was 2 years prior. The acq of sub sub was 6 months from the year end when Sub 1 Purchased 70% of sub 2.. The increase in the Parents holding of Sub 1, needed to be included in the consideration of acq of the sub sub. So the consideration for sub sub involved the 25% holding 6 months from the year-end, and the 42% indirect consideration from Sub 1’s purchase of sub 2. The difference then needed to be taken off Sub 1′ NCI figure.
March 9, 2016 at 10:31 am #304692AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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yes it is step acquisition and not D shape
March 9, 2016 at 10:33 am #304696AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Yes it was a step acquisition as “acca63” said.
March 9, 2016 at 10:34 am #304697AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Yes you are right, step acquisition it is
March 9, 2016 at 10:36 am #304698AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Yes it was a step acquisition!
March 9, 2016 at 11:14 am #304709It was a D-Shape group. If you can recall, both the Parent and Sub 1 (Lambley) had investments in H. A step acq involves 2 purchases from the same entity. This didnt happen in the exam question. Bideford bought 25%. And then Lambley bought 70%. Because Lambley bought 70%, it meant that H company became a Sub Sub of Bideford. But it’s not a step acq. Definitely a D-Group.
March 9, 2016 at 12:10 pm #304715AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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I hope I did enough to earn me a pass this time around.the paper was fair but as usual time pressured.Consolidation is always messing up time management in the exam
March 9, 2016 at 3:02 pm #304764I am writing P2 for the first time in June, your comments really made me to brace myself up for what’s ahead. Hope it goes well for you all 🙂
March 9, 2016 at 7:25 pm #304931Oh noo! I also did a step acquisition ((( I so shocked I didn’t see it on the script! it’s was pure down to bad lighting, darkish colour paper and nerves! So unfair coz that’s what def gona make me fail now
March 9, 2016 at 8:19 pm #304945@hassandiamond said:
It was a D-Shape group. If you can recall, both the Parent and Sub 1 (Lambley) had investments in H. A step acq involves 2 purchases from the same entity. This didnt happen in the exam question. Bideford bought 25%. And then Lambley bought 70%. Because Lambley bought 70%, it meant that H company became a Sub Sub of Bideford. But it’s not a step acq. Definitely a D-Group.Can u clarify. D or step. Surely there was 2 purchases by L in H???
March 9, 2016 at 8:52 pm #304961It’s D shape.
There is no step acq in SFP.
2 purchases would still make sub from associate.
Equity method if less than 50% and consol when gained control.
March 9, 2016 at 10:13 pm #305006Correct me if i’m wrong because during exam stress, your mind can play tricks.This is how i read it.
2 years prior, Bideford bought 60%(SUB) in L and 25% (ASS) in H. Then 6 months from the year-end, L bought 70% in H. At that point, Bidefords 25% holding in H had increased but not by additional purchase of shares, but just cos in the 18 month gap, they would have made profits and the investment would have gone up. The additional amount which it had gone up by needed to be added in W5 group reserves because Bideford was only recording the investment at cost. As for the group structure, the acquisition of H occurred when L bought 70% in H because that meant that Bidefords total holding (direct and indirect) was now 67% (42 and 25).
March 9, 2016 at 10:29 pm #305012it was surely a step acquisition because investment of B in H has changed from 25% (Associate) to 67% (sub-subsidiary)
March 9, 2016 at 10:42 pm #30501767% effective holding hence Hassan is correct.
There is no step acq in SFP.
An associate consolidated when control, hence becomes sub, achieved.
Difference in reserve between acquisition and at the reporting date is reflected between NCI and group reserve.
Therefore complex group (D Shape), can not confirm enough.
March 9, 2016 at 10:52 pm #305023Technically it’s not called a step-acquisition, because B didn’t purchase the shares directly. It gained control, due to L’s purchase. But i think the treatment is the same, and as long as the %’s are the same then we are probably saying the same thing! 🙂 It’s definitely a D-shape group though, because both B and L had control over H.
March 9, 2016 at 11:05 pm #305027@hassandiamond said:
Technically it’s not called a step-acquisition, because B didn’t purchase the shares directly. It gained control, due to L’s purchase. But i think the treatment is the same, and as long as the %’s are the same then we are probably saying the same thing! 🙂 It’s definitely a D-shape group though, because both B and L had control over H.Hassan. Do you use the fv 25% per q in assoc at date of 70% purchase to get gooodwill??
March 9, 2016 at 11:06 pm #305028You seem to gave done really well. well done. I can see my mistakes now…
March 9, 2016 at 11:14 pm #305030@mfe100 said:
Hassan. Do you use the fv 25% per q in assoc at date of 70% purchase to get gooodwill??Yup! The difference between the 2 associate figures needed to be added to Ret Earnings because Bideford was still recording it at cost.
If possible, can you guys remember what you did with the Inventory and provision? I think i worked out an inv write down of 3m and then with the provision, because it was an “onerous contract” you record a provision for the lower of the total payments in the contract or the cost to terminate. I think it was 3.5 off retained earnings and then added to Liabilities on the face of the SFP.
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