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NCI valuation of Robertas and Ingrida question

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  • This topic has 5 replies, 2 voices, and was last updated 8 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • November 2, 2016 at 2:35 pm #347090
    jimbern
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    Dear Sir

    I hope this message finds you well
    I have a (potentially silly) question

    In your mid-year acquisition example (Robertas and Ingrida), at approximately 13:30, you calculate the NCI value.
    I was wondering why Ingrida’s ‘opening retained earning’ for 1/1/09 at $20000 were excluded?

    Thanks for your time

    regards

    November 2, 2016 at 4:24 pm #347111
    MikeLittle
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    “I was wondering why Ingrida’s ‘opening retained earning’ for 1/1/09 at $20000 were excluded?”

    How have you reached that conclusion?

    November 4, 2016 at 12:36 pm #347361
    jimbern
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    Dear Sir,

    (sorry for the delay in response, I took [gasp] a day off from studying)

    (clearly i’ve made a mistake somewhere but)

    In working 4:
    NCI at 25 percent ownership.
    fair value at acquisition: 25 percent of net assets at acquisition:
    : 0.25 X 28000 = 7000
    Plus: 25 percent of post acquistion:
    : 25 percent x 2500 = 625
    total: 7625

    but the NCI also has an ‘opening retained earnings’ of 20000
    in my head the answer should be 27625 to include the opening RE.
    Am I mistaken?
    furthermore, can you see where I’m mistaken ? ( personally, i really can’t)

    thanks for your time

    November 4, 2016 at 1:45 pm #347391
    MikeLittle
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    When Robertas acquired 75%, ask yourself “From whom did Robertas acquire those Ingrida shares?”

    So 75% of the pre-acquisition profits have automatically been accounted for because Robertas compensated the former shareholders when Robertas bought the shares

    Now then, cast your mind back to day 1 on the F3 introductory course. Are you there yet … in that dim and distant past when every minute of every day there was new stuff coming at you

    One of the really important bits of new stuff was the “fundamental accounting equation” and it goes like this:

    Net Assets = Shareholders’ Equity

    Do you remember that?

    And shareholders’ equity comprises share capital + reserves (including retained earnings)

    And when we computed the nci as having a value proportionate to their shareholding, that meant that we were valuing the nci as 25% of shareholders’ equity

    And that 25% included their share of the Ingrida share capital AND their share of the Ingrida reserves (including the retained earnings)

    Is that better?

    November 4, 2016 at 1:56 pm #347403
    jimbern
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    Dear Sir

    So the mistake I made was to re-use the 20000 which was already included in the ‘Net assets’ of which the NCI owned 25 percent.

    on the plus side, I was right about me being wrong 😀

    I think i just got confused. No malice aforethought.
    thanks for the clarification
    regards

    November 4, 2016 at 2:37 pm #347411
    MikeLittle
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    No problem and you’re welcome

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