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  • May 8, 2016 at 1:03 pm #314110
    eliaslinus
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    Hi Sir,

    Here are some difficulties which I have encountered yet when working on Mini Exercises:

    Notes Pg 202 (Excess depreciation & PUP)
    Q3: why is depreciation calculated on 5 years and not on 3 years (2.5 yrs remaining down to 2 years on 31/03/11)? Is it because the question states that P had included the profit on this transfer as a reduction in its depreciation cost? If so can you kindly explain me the sentence and the workings to it, as I couldn’t understand it.

    Pg 203 (Non-Current Assets)
    Q1: why in the answers (Pg233) there is Dr: Revaluation Reserve and Cr: S of Comp Inc of $1,000 please? I don’t know from where the number came from.

    Q2: Why there is no adjustment for the last sentence ‘The FV of the investment held at FV through P&L as at 30.09.08 was $27.1m’? Shouldn’t there be an adjustment of $600 ‘(27.1-26.5)?

    Pg.204: Q4: Why the Development expenditure is not taken in the Cost of Sales in the answer sheet?
    In the ans sheet there is $3800 correctly expensed in COS (I don’t know why it is saying that as there is no double entry for COS re this amount), and 4,800 should be Capitalised (also no double entry in the answer sheet for it, and moreover why should it be capitalised if in the question it tells you that all expensed research and development is charged to cost of sale?)

    Can you explain please?

    Thanks so much for all of your time

    May 8, 2016 at 6:23 pm #314144
    MikeLittle
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    Q3 page 202 – it’s not being depreciated over five years . The time since acquisition is 6 months up to the year end. That’s half a year out of 2.5 years remaining useful life – so 1/5

    Question 1 page 203 – it’s not a requirement but it’s seen as good practice to transfer out of revaluation reserve each year to statement of comprehensive income an amount equal to the extra depreciation charged as a result of the revaluation

    Question 2 – there should be. I was so excited at getting the rest of the question correct that I missed the easy $600!

    Question 4 page 204 – “(I don’t know why it is saying that as there is no double entry for COS re this amount)” surely I didn’t need to show you the cost of sales calculation!

    “and 4,800 should be Capitalised (also no double entry in the answer sheet for it, and moreover why should it be capitalised if in the question it tells you that all expensed research and development is charged to cost of sale?)” – it has to be capitalised as soon as the criteria are met.

    “if in the question it tells you that all expensed research and development is charged to cost of sale” – all EXPENSED research and development costs. The importance of this bit of the question is that it’s telling you to add any expensed research and development costs to cost of sales and not to, for example, administrative expenses

    OK?

    May 9, 2016 at 4:32 pm #314296
    eliaslinus
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    Thanks so much for your reply.

    So in Question 1 what if the depreciation is less with the revaluation? Would there need to be an entry?

    Re Question 2: for the $600, the double entry has to be Dr: Investment in SOFP and Cr SOCI?

    Re Question 4: I still couldn’t understand why there is no double entry for the $4,800, since it is not included in the extract :/ Should I do the double entry in an exam question?

    May 9, 2016 at 5:11 pm #314298
    MikeLittle
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    “So in Question 1 what if the depreciation is less with the revaluation? Would there need to be an entry?” – yes, the estimated remaining useful life would be re-assessed and the newly impaired value depreciated over that revised useful life

    “Re Question 2: for the $600, the double entry has to be Dr: Investment in SOFP and Cr SOCI?” – correct

    “Re Question 4: I still couldn’t understand why there is no double entry for the $4,800, since it is not included in the extract :/ Should I do the double entry in an exam question?” – these mini-exercises are extracts from past exam questions. This particular question gave a trial balance and a number of adjustments to make (including the one for the capitalisation of development expenditure)

    Once you had completed all the workings for the adjustments then you could start to prepare the statements of financial position and profit or loss

    I thought that it was sufficient to say that the development expenditure incurred during the period when the criteria were satisfied was enough – I didn’t think it was necessary to show the Capitalised Development Expenditure Account.

    In the same way I didn’t think it necessary to show a Cash account to reflect the spending of the money on the development of the project!

    “Should I do the double entry in an exam question?” – yes ….. if that’s what the question requires!

    May 10, 2016 at 11:51 am #314399
    eliaslinus
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    Hi Sir, Thanks so much for all of your help and apologies for keeping on bothering you, but am finding it a bit hard. Here are some more queries that I have encountered aaa..

    Pg205 Q6: Re brand depreciation and impairment, why in the answers depreciation is calculated (15,000/10yrs) =1,500 and (12,000/3 years) = 4000-1500=2,500? Can it be calculated immediately with 12,000/3 years = $4000 dep?

    Moreover why the depreciation on the 15,000 is divided by 10 years and not for the remaining years i.e deducting from 1.10.05 to 30.09.08 = 3 years, thus 15000/7years = 2143

    Why impairment is calculated (21000 – 3000 dep)= 18000 net value less (15000 – 1500 dep) =4500 impairment and not calculated 18000 less (12000 – 4000 dep) = 9000 impairment?

    Pg206 Q7: Is my Impairment calculation correct like this?

    45 (cost) less 6 (acc dep) less 1.5 (dep) = 37.5
    40 (FV) x .85= 34 less .5 (cost to sell) = 33.5 Thus 37.5 less 33.5 = 4 impairment

    Q8.In the answer sheet why is the $4000 debited to PPE, thus increasing the PPE value? Shouldn’t it be an expense in the Income statement and CR to provision account in SOFP?

    Moreover, how is the Dep expense of $1,400 calculated please? As I couldn’t arrive to the figure? Also, in the $1400, is thee an inclusion of $1000 dep re the $10m plant?

    Why did we include a finance charge of $400? Isn’t the 10% to get to the PV of 4m?

    Pg208 Q.11: How is the 500 of the Rev Reserve and Ret Ears calculates please?

    Re Questions 12 to 14 do we have the Extract from the TB missing from the questions please?

    Loan Interest/Preference dividends

    Pg210 Q.5: Why is the interest calculated for one year and not for 6 months (01.10.11 to 31.03.12)?

    and isn’t the 1 million cost over and above the 25m, thus with the extra cost incurred it’s a total of 26m please?

    Thanks a million in advance!!

    May 10, 2016 at 1:09 pm #314415
    MikeLittle
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    The brand from page 205 ….. how can you get it so wrong!!!!

    It is NOT “depreciation is calculated (15,000/10yrs) =1,500 and (12,000/3 years) = 4000-1500=2,500? Can it be calculated immediately with 12,000/3 years = $4000 dep?”

    For the first 6 months of the year to 30 September, 2009 ie for the 6 months to 31 March, 2009 depreciation is $30,000 / 10 x 6/12 = $1,500 bringing carrying value down to $19,500

    Then we have an impairment review that takes a further $4,500 off the value of the asset and brings it down to $15,000

    And now we need to depreciate for the second 6 month period ended 30 September, 2009 and that’s $15,000 / 3 x 6/12 = $2,500

    And as for “Can it be calculated immediately with 12,000/3 years = $4000 dep?” the answer is an emphatic NO, NO, NO!

    May 10, 2016 at 1:19 pm #314417
    MikeLittle
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    “Moreover why the depreciation on the 15,000 is divided by 10 years and not for the remaining years i.e deducting from 1.10.05 to 30.09.08 = 3 years, thus 15000/7years = 2143” – Which planet have you just landed from?

    Where has 7 years suddenly appeared from?

    “Why impairment is calculated (21000 – 3000 dep)= 18000 net value less (15000 – 1500 dep) =4500 impairment and not calculated 18000 less (12000 – 4000 dep) = 9000 impairment?” – have I answered this?

    “Pg206 Q7: Is my Impairment calculation correct like this?

    45 (cost) less 6 (acc dep) less 1.5 (dep) = 37.5
    40 (FV) x .85= 34 less .5 (cost to sell) = 33.5 Thus 37.5 less 33.5 = 4 impairment” – yes, that’s fine

    “Q8.In the answer sheet why is the $4000 debited to PPE, thus increasing the PPE value? Shouldn’t it be an expense in the Income statement and CR to provision account in SOFP?

    Moreover, how is the Dep expense of $1,400 calculated please? As I couldn’t arrive to the figure? Also, in the $1400, is thee an inclusion of $1000 dep re the $10m plant?

    Why did we include a finance charge of $400? Isn’t the 10% to get to the PV of 4m?” – have you read / understood the free course notes chapter on Provisions and Contingencies? Clearly, you haven’t. Please let me ask you to re-read that chapter and particularly the bit headed “Where’s the debit?”

    Then come back to me if you still don’t understand this point

    10% x $14 million – it’s connected to the $4,000 in the previous point

    May 10, 2016 at 1:23 pm #314418
    MikeLittle
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    “Pg208 Q.11: How is the 500 of the Rev Reserve and Ret Ears calculates please?” – the words in the question – “The company makes an annual transfer to retained profits to reflect the realisation of the revaluation reserve.” – explain that!

    May 10, 2016 at 1:31 pm #314419
    MikeLittle
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    “Re Questions 12 to 14 do we have the Extract from the TB missing from the questions please?” – it certainly looks that way! How come no-one else has noticed that? ???????

    “Loan Interest/Preference dividends

    Pg210 Q.5: Why is the interest calculated for one year and not for 6 months (01.10.11 to 31.03.12)?

    and isn’t the 1 million cost over and above the 25m, thus with the extra cost incurred it’s a total of 26m please?

    This is on my list of corrections to make – yes, it should be 6 months and not a full year. There is also a misprint in the answer – the second line should read 25m @ 6% = 1.50m not 24m @ 6% = 1.50m

    As for the $1m costs, no, these are correctly dealt with in that they are debited to the loan account and not expensed

    Phew!

    May 23, 2016 at 5:17 am #316505
    eliaslinus
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    Hi Sir 🙂 I have listened to F3 lessons as I was exempt from it and also revised F7 a again and continued with the mini exercises. And have encountered these last difficulties on them.

    Pg211 Taxation
    Re Taxation why in question 2, the double entry of the reduction of deferred tax is Cr S of CI taxation (Current) and in Q5, the double entry of the reduction of deferred tax is Cr Current liability or in other questions it starts to refer to Current tax?

    What is the exact difference between S of CI taxation (current) and S of CI taxation (deferred) please?

    Is the current tax shown in Trial balance in income statement? Thus debit balance is an expense and Cr balance is income? I got confused since in the answers, in the double entry it shows Dr P&L and Cr Current Tax.

    Q10: why is the deferred tax I not calculated in the $8,000 revaluation like in Q14 please?

    Q11, Shouldn’t the current tax be debited by $3000 instead of $1,800 please?
    Deferred tax liability is decreased by 200 and the Current tax showing in the trial balance is an expense, thus added to the current tax. Therefore 2,400-200+800=$3000

    Pg 219 Goodwill
    Q8: Re. Retained earnings for the year from where did the $2,000 come from please? As the calculation in the ans is (21000 + 2,000)/2

    Pg221 Q.13, how is the retained earnings calculated for the 6 months period please? As I did $11900 divided by 6 months.

    Pg213, Q.2 Revenue
    Why is there a double entry of Dr Inventory and CR Cost of sales instead of Dr COS and Cr Inventory please? There was no adjustment for Inventory so like this, isn’t it adding an extra 1.8m to inventory?

    Pg224, Financial instruments
    Re Q.3 and Q4, how can I know whether to use the loan rate or the rate that attracts investors to calculate similar questions for Finance charge and equity please? Since, I am not noticing any difference between Q3 and Q4.

    Thanks so much in advance for your time and help.

    May 23, 2016 at 6:03 am #316515
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    “question 2, the double entry of the reduction of deferred tax is Cr S of CI taxation (Current)” – the balancing figure on the deferred tax account is taken to the Current tax account. The balancing figure on the current tax account is taken to SoPorL (SoCI in these early examples where I was using the option of a single combined statement – combining profit or loss with comprehensive income)
    Probably would have been better to show the credit entry narrative as Current Tax – but the effect is that it is a credit to SoCI in that it sets off against what would otherwise have been a debit to PorL of 18,300

    After question 5 I seem to have settled in to a routine of calling the two accounts “deferred tax” and “current tax” – that’s hopefully much easier

    “Is the current tax shown in Trial balance in income statement? Thus debit balance is an expense and Cr balance is income? I got confused since in the answers, in the double entry it shows Dr P&L and Cr Current Tax.” – where there is a debit balance in the current tax account in the trial balance, this represents an under-estimate of last year’s liability and, following negotiations with the taxman, the amount PAID relating to last year exceeded the estimated liability by the amount of the debit balance in the current tax account

    It’s just an opening balance! There’s no need for you to worry about “Is it an asset or an expense?” It’s just an opening balance

    “Q10: why is the deferred tax I not calculated in the $8,000 revaluation like in Q14 please?”

    It looks like I missed that part! There should be another credit entry of 30% x $8,000 = $2,400 in Deferred Tax with the debit going to Revaluation Reserve that will reduce the transfer from Deferred Tax to Current Tax by 2,400 and the charge in the PorL will decrease from 26,100 down to 23,700

    Thanks for pointing that out – no-one else appears to have spotted that!

    May 23, 2016 at 7:29 am #316534
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    “Q11, Shouldn’t the current tax be debited by $3000 instead of $1,800 please?
    Deferred tax liability is decreased by 200 and the Current tax showing in the trial balance is an expense, thus added to the current tax. Therefore 2,400-200+800=$3000”

    I believe that you’re wrong with this one!

    Deferred Tax:

    debits: 200; 3,000
    credits: 3,200

    Current Tax:

    debits: 800
    credits: 2,400; 200

    Therefore a missing debit in Current Tax credited to PorL

    “Pg 219 Goodwill
    Q8: Re. Retained earnings for the year from where did the $2,000 come from please? As the calculation in the ans is (21000 + 2,000)/2”

    The extract is from the question Pandar from December 2009. Note (ii) to that questions states that:

    “(ii) Immediately after its acquisition of Salva, Pandar invested $50 million in an 8% loan note from Salva. All interest accruing to 30 September 2009 had been accounted for by both companies”

    I believe the expression is “That’s my bad” I should have included that information within the question so, once again, I am in your debt

    May 23, 2016 at 7:46 am #316537
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    “Pg221 Q.13, how is the retained earnings calculated for the 6 months period please? As I did $11900 divided by 6 months”

    11,900 is the retained earnings accumulated since the entity was born!

    Similarly, 16,600 was last year’s accumulated retained earnings

    So that means that the retained earnings have fallen by 4,700

    Now that 4,700 loss for the year needs to be split into 2 periods of 6 months but in arriving at 4,700 there has been a period specific charge for the additional amortisation of the lease. The lease has a 10 year remaining life and has a fair value increase of $2m = 200,000 for a full year

    But we’re only looking at a 6 month period post acquisition so 100,000 additional amortisation has been charged as an expense in the second 6 months

    That means that, without that extra 100,000, the loss for the year would have been only 4,600 and half of that pre-acquisition is 2,300

    Of the 4,700 loss, 2,300 was sustained pre-acquisition and 2,400 post acquisition

    OK?

    May 23, 2016 at 8:03 am #316540
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    “Pg213, Q.2 Revenue
    Why is there a double entry of Dr Inventory and CR Cost of sales instead of Dr COS and Cr Inventory please? There was no adjustment for Inventory so like this, isn’t it adding an extra 1.8m to inventory?”

    I believe that this is page 223 not 213!

    Yes, we are adding $1.8 to inventory because goods “sold” on a sale or return basis are not treated as sales until the consignee accepts them and indicates that they will not be returned. Until then not all the risk and rewards of ownership have passed, so the ownership of those goods remains with us, the consignor

    To bring those goods back into inventory, we simply increase the value of inventory

    But closing inventory has a dual effect on financial statements.

    It’s a deduction from cost of sales on SoPorL and it’s an addition to the asset on the SoFP

    So reduce cost of sales (Cr COS) and increase inventory on the SoFP (Dr inventory)

    OK?

    “Pg224, Financial instruments
    Re Q.3 and Q4, how can I know whether to use the loan rate or the rate that attracts investors to calculate similar questions for Finance charge and equity please? Since, I am not noticing any difference between Q3 and Q4.”

    I’m not sure why you think there should be any difference between questions 3 and 4

    As a general rule (and I can’t immediately think of an exception) you would use the higher rate

    Or, looked at another way, you would use the rate indicated in the sentence “The finance director has calculated that to issue an equivalent loan note without the conversion option would have an interest rate of (a higher) percent”

    OK?

    May 24, 2016 at 7:28 am #316749
    eliaslinus
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    Hi Sir, Thanks so much for your quick reply and fantastic explanations. I still couldn’t understand the following 2 questions to the full :/

    Pg 219 Goodwill

    Q8: Re. $2,000Retained: $50m x 8% is 4,000. P invested in the loan note immediately after acquisition, thus 6 months to year end, and the remaining $2000 becomes pre acq RE. However, the question tells you that all interest has been accounted by both companies. Doesn’t that mean that the amount is already included in Profit for the year end? Moreover, shouldn’t it be a reduction since money is being paid out from S, instead of an addition, if it will be accounted for?

    Pg 221 Q13. Thanks for explaining it out for me?. Having said that, I became confused with other questions though. For example if in Q13 we have taken into account the depreciation on increase in value, why didn’t we do the same thing in Q14 and in other questions if applicable?

    Thank you in advance.

    May 24, 2016 at 7:44 am #316753
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    “Q8: Re. $2,000Retained: $50m x 8% is 4,000. P invested in the loan note immediately after acquisition, thus 6 months to year end, and the remaining $2000 becomes pre acq RE. However, the question tells you that all interest has been accounted by both companies. Doesn’t that mean that the amount is already included in Profit for the year end? Moreover, shouldn’t it be a reduction since money is being paid out from S, instead of an addition, if it will be accounted for?”

    This is a new loan – it’s not a loan note that P is buying from some existing loan note holder. This is a situation where the subsidiary wants to borrow money and the parent says “OK here’s 80% of what you want – you’ll have to raise the rest from other people”

    So there is not a full year of the loan note in issue.

    Now, consider this. If that loan interest had not been due, what would the profits for the year have been? $23,000! $23,000 divided by 2 = $11,500 pre-acquisition and $11,500 post-acquisition

    But the loan interest did exist, but only in the post acquisition period

    So now the profit split is $11,500 pre and $9,500 post

    “the question tells you that all interest has been accounted by both companies” – this is simply telling you that there’s no need to start messing around with accrued interest – it’s already been paid and properly accounted for

    May 24, 2016 at 8:04 am #316764
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    “Pg 221 Q13. Thanks for explaining it out for me?. Having said that, I became confused with other questions though. For example if in Q13 we have taken into account the depreciation on increase in value, why didn’t we do the same thing in Q14 and in other questions if applicable?”

    “Pg 221 Q13. Thanks for explaining it out for me?. Having said that, I became confused with other questions though. For example if in Q13 we have taken into account the depreciation on increase in value, why didn’t we do the same thing in Q14 and in other questions if applicable?”

    Question 13 is from the December 2013 exam and question 14 is from June 2014

    I’ve had a quick look but cannot see anything obvious that distinguishes the two. Maybe you would like to check and see if you can spot any reason why we adjust for post-acquisition depreciation in question 13 and not in question 14

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