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L'estrange v Graucob Case.

Forums › Ask ACCA Tutor Forums › Ask the Tutor ACCA LW Exams › L'estrange v Graucob Case.

  • This topic has 18 replies, 2 voices, and was last updated 9 years ago by AvatarMikeLittle.
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  • September 21, 2016 at 5:08 am #341095
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    What did the court say about L’estrange v Graucob case. What was the conclusion, who won?

    September 21, 2016 at 7:20 am #341123
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    L’Estrange bought a cigarette machine but didn’t read the small print in the contract

    When the machine broke down she tried to repudiate the contract but was unable to do so

    This was in the days before Unfair Contract Terms legislation

    Ok?

    September 21, 2016 at 2:35 pm #341228
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    Yeah, alright. Can you answer my question posted below the lecture on contract law part 14.

    September 21, 2016 at 5:00 pm #341246
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    No – you’ll have to type it out, sorry

    September 21, 2016 at 7:25 pm #341266
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    The cases talked about are the construction of the swimming pool and a wall to block an undesirable site.
    I agree that it wasn’t difficult work to ask the constructor to get the wall to the desired length. But in the case of the swimming pool, if they had increased the depth from above, the depth would have also increased of the part of the swimming pool which had the desired length of 1 meter. So I think it wasn’t fixable without starting all over again.

    Anyways did both parties get any compensation for their lost desirable lengths along with the reduced cost??

    September 22, 2016 at 1:44 am #341286
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    I put ‘Ruxley Electronics v Forsyth ‘ into Google and, if you do the same, you’ll find a brief summary about the case from Wikipedia

    Let me know if that doesn’t answer your question

    Ok?

    September 22, 2016 at 7:29 pm #341403
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    Right, an award of £2500 for loss of amenity was liable. Got it 🙂

    What is the difference between “During” and “Actual” breach or are they the same type of breach?

    September 22, 2016 at 11:58 pm #341417
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    I’m not sure that I could distinguish the two, sorry!

    September 23, 2016 at 2:53 pm #341454
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    Can you please explain to me what is pure economic loss?

    September 23, 2016 at 4:04 pm #341471
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    Pure economic loss refers to loss of income, value of property or amount of production caused by an outside party

    It’s basically a monetary term and distinguishes the loss from physical harm suffered

    Ok?

    September 23, 2016 at 7:40 pm #341507
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    Yeah got it, thanks a million!

    September 23, 2016 at 7:42 pm #341508
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    That means actual and during are the same kind of breaches, right?

    September 23, 2016 at 11:29 pm #341520
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    Not quite. Actual breach could be anticipatory … ie breach BEFORE the contract is due to start whereas breach during is obviously AFTER the commencement date

    Ok?

    September 24, 2016 at 2:28 am #341524
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    Yeah, thanks 🙂

    September 24, 2016 at 10:21 am #341548
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    You’re welcome

    September 27, 2016 at 6:58 pm #341902
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    The liquidator must repay debts in the following order.
    Way down the line comes the unsecured creditors. It’s written that.

    Unsecured creditors – rank equally amongst themselves. The Enterprise Act 2002 introduced into the Insolvency Act 1986 a ring-fencing mechanism where part of assets which are subject to a floating charge are available to unsecured creditors. The amount ring-fenced is 50% of the first £10,000, plus 20% of the rest up to a maximum ring-fenced fund of £600,000.

    What does this whole thing means, especially the last line??

    September 27, 2016 at 8:52 pm #341906
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    This has nothing at all to do with L’Estrange v Graucob

    When asking a question on a new topic, please start a new thread with an appropriate heading

    Following the Enterprise Act / Insolvency Act, it is no longer the case that the unsecured creditors rank in total below the floating charge debenture holders

    Consider the assets secured by way of floating charge

    Now consider the first 10,000 of those assets

    Only half of that first 10,000 will be attributable to the floating charge debenture holders. the other half will find its way to the unsecured creditors

    Now consider the next 2,975,000. 20% of that value of the assets subject to a floating charge will be attributable to the unsecured creditors and only 80% attributable to the floating charge debenture holders

    So the unsecured creditors will have attributable to them an amount of 5,000 + 595,000 = 600,000 where the assets subject to a floating charge exceed 2,985,000

    OK?

    (The course notes are out of date on this point)

    September 27, 2016 at 10:53 pm #341911
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    Sorry about that. Yeah I got it, thanks.

    September 28, 2016 at 8:07 am #341929
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    You’re welcome

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