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  • This topic has 6 replies, 2 voices, and was last updated 10 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • February 15, 2015 at 2:27 pm #228445
    zemsk
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    hi,

    i’d like to clarify :
    IAS 17 requires the liability to be initially measured at the lower of the fair value
    of the leased item or the present value of the minimum lease payments.

    when we should discount our min lease payments? only when we have gross amount?

    February 15, 2015 at 2:45 pm #228447
    MikeLittle
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    The examiner will tell you both the fair value of the asset (the cash price) and the present value of the minimum lease payments. It is highly improbable that you will be given discount factors or the discount rate – most unlikely therefore that you will be asked to calculate the present value of the mlp

    I’m not sure what your question is “when we should discount our min lease payments? only when we have gross amount?”

    You may need both but, again, that’s highly unlikely. You’ll be given the cash price and you’ll be given the discount rate (company’s cost of capital)

    OK?

    February 15, 2015 at 3:29 pm #228450
    zemsk
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    i am confused by the fact:
    1) in one example (probably not good):
    we have FV of an asset, % rate, and annual payment
    then they discount all annual payments and compare with FV

    2) in your lecture :
    you don’t discount
    we calculate min lease payments (number*lease payments+deposit)
    and we compare this sum with FV

    i hope i make myself clear

    February 15, 2015 at 3:33 pm #228451
    zemsk
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    so sad, to have a total mess in a head((

    February 15, 2015 at 4:03 pm #228455
    MikeLittle
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    The only reason for that comparison was, I believe, to calculate the total lease interest

    It’s unlikely that your examiner will (I said it earlier) ask you to calculate the pv of the mlp.

    The only sort of time that you will need to do that is where the client company has treated a lease as a finance lease and it should have been treated as operating and, even then, it will be SO obvious that there really is no need to do the calculation anyway! The last time I remember him doing it the lease was for land and buildings (he showed the two separate values) and the buildings element was only about 40% of the fair value so it clearly was an operating lease

    OK?

    February 15, 2015 at 4:27 pm #228463
    zemsk
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    yes, thanks! clear)

    February 15, 2015 at 8:23 pm #228494
    MikeLittle
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    You’re welcome

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