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June13/Q2: Hav Co

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  • May 28, 2015 at 6:55 pm #249969
    Saima
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    In part c of this question the percentage gain for share and cash offer the gain is calculated by subtracting the the hav current share price(divided by 2) plus cash and the share price of strand co.
    But in the the DEC 12 question of sigra co the gain us calculated by subtracting the combined share price and share price of sigra.
    Why in both questions which look similar the method of calculating the gain is not similar i.e in one question gain is calculated by subtracting from combined share price(sigra co) and in other subtracting from current value(hav co).
    I hope u get the question.

    May 28, 2015 at 7:36 pm #249976
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    This is the same question I asked in a different post to John today lol. Also curious to know the answer also πŸ™‚

    May 28, 2015 at 8:39 pm #250008
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    In one of them you are looking from the point of view of the shareholders in the company that is being acquired. They will not have knowledge about the future and will look only at the current share price of the acquiring company.

    In the other, you are looking from the point of view of the acquiring company, and they are in a position to make forecasts for the future.

    May 29, 2015 at 6:45 am #250075
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    Dear John,

    The June 2013 Question two says ” Calculate the percentage premium per share that Strand Co’s shareholders will receive under each acquisition payment method and justify, with explanations, which payment method would be most acceptable to them. (10 marks)

    The December 2012 question three says ” (a) Estimate the percentage gain on a Dentro Co share under each of the above three payment methods.Comment on the answers obtained.”

    So in both cases we are told to work out the gain to the company that is being acquired.

    So I’m confused when you say that we are looking at it from the point of view of the acquiring company (in Sigra’s case) and don’t understand the logic. Please explain.

    ” For Hav Co (June 2013) we did in fact in part (b) of the same question forecast the value of the combined company, with synergies and got a value of $ 29,609M (when looking at Hav Co’s point of view on paying the maximum acquisition premium) so then looking at $29,609M we could find the new number of shares in the combined company of 2400M (current number of shares of Hav Co) + 600M (the share for share exchange, new number of issued shares) and therefore the combined company has a share price of $29,609M / 3000M shares = $9.87

    And therefore the gain to Strand Co’s shareholders post acquisition would be $9.87*0.5= $4.935= ($4.935+1.33 (cash offer) – $4.78)/$4.78 = 31.1% gain

    But the actual gain (as per official answers) is 24.5% so is my above calculation correct? And why did the examiner not follow the above approach? Is my answer valid and acceptable?

    Is it that the two approaches are differing because in one question (Sigra) it was a pure share for share exchange and in the other (Hav co) it was a share for share exchange mixed with a cash offer. Could that be the reason?

    May 29, 2015 at 11:15 am #250155
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    Again, I know they are very similar (and it was maybe a bit unfair of the examiner).

    However in June 2013 it asked which payment method would be most acceptable to Strands shareholders. They won’t be able to know the new value of the shares and so they will likely base it on the existing value.

    In Dentro it is not asking what the shareholders might prefer but asking what the gain will end up being.

    Again, it is a bit unfair because he is playing with the words a little bit, which is why I am sure you would have not most of not all of the marks if you had taken the same approach for both.

    May 29, 2015 at 6:47 pm #250313
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    I did got ur point but still want to ask would I get the full marks if I use the combined share price in hav co i.e $9.87

    May 29, 2015 at 7:24 pm #250333
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    I think that you probably would (as I in fact wrote – in my last sentence!)

    Even if it was not full marks then it would certainly be most of the marks πŸ™‚

    May 30, 2015 at 10:21 am #250493
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    Thank you

    May 30, 2015 at 2:17 pm #250545
    John Moffat
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    You are welcome πŸ™‚

    May 30, 2015 at 7:29 pm #250742
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    Hello John but I still don’t get it and can’t sleep at night as thsee doubts really ich me. Could you elaborate or explain to me in a more simpler and understandable way. Is it because Hav Co deals with intangible illectual valuation and therefore it has a different approach. What message are you really putting across here when you say “However in June 2013 it asked which payment method would be most acceptable to Strands shareholders. They won’t be able to know the new value of the shares and so they will likely base it on the existing value.

    In Dentro it is not asking what the shareholders might prefer but asking what the gain will end up being.” I don’t get your message here. Please elaborate and clarify .

    Thanks.

    May 31, 2015 at 10:19 am #250865
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    I am sorry but I really cannot explain any better than I already have done πŸ™

    August 19, 2017 at 9:30 am #402431
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    Hi John,
    regarding share for share offer why has the examiner answered that “although the return is lower, strand co’s shareholders become owners of Hav co and have the option to sell their equity immediately.”? Hav company was supposed to acquire Strand co.

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