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JUNE 2012 Q1 (A) DIVIDENDS RECEIVED FROM SUBSIDIARY.

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  • This topic has 7 replies, 4 voices, and was last updated 3 years ago by Stephen Widberg.
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  • September 29, 2014 at 11:45 am #202140
    Me..
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    In the June 2012 P2 question 1, the examiner has included dividends received from a subsidiary in the retained earnings of the parent. According to my F7 studies, dividends from subsidiaries were supposed to be eliminated because they were intra group trading; however, he hasn’t done so here. It is not a wholly owned subsidiary, just 80% owned by parent so is that the reason we don’t eliminate the dividends?

    Because when I was doing F7, I did a question from the Dec 2009 sitting and there the question Pandar did eliminate dividends received from it’s subsidiary in the income statement.

    Thanks,

    Me….

    September 29, 2014 at 12:27 pm #202142
    MikeLittle
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    Hi

    In the consolidated statement of profit or loss, intra-group dividends received are correctly omitted. Similarly, on the consolidated statement of financial position, any intra-group dividends declared bit not yet paid will NOT be shown neither as an asset (receivable) nor as a liability (payable)

    Of course, the non-controlling interest element of any dividend declared but not yet paid by the subsidiary WILL be shown as a current liability.

    “so is that the reason we don’t eliminate the dividends?” No, that’s not the reason. If you were to go back to your F7 notes, you will see in working W3 Consolidated Retained Earnings that in fact we DO account for dividends declared but not yet paid within the individual company retained earnings column.

    The appropriate cancellation is the receivable element against the part of the payable dividend that is paid to the parent (or within the group) leaving just the nci element as a payable.

    But the accounting for receivable into retained earnings and payable from retained earnings is NOT cancelled

    Do you remember the working W3 “song”? It goes like this:

    H’s own +
    H’s share of S post-acq retained –
    goodwill impaired since acquisition (just our share)

    That line “H’s own” is the retained earnings of the parent in the parent’s own financial statements and, of course, that will correctly include the dividend from the subsidiary

    Is that better or are you still confused?

    September 29, 2014 at 1:01 pm #202145
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    If I were to summarize your comments correctly the message is ” the dividends paid by the subsidiary are dividends received by the parent. The retained earnings of the subsidiary are reduced by the dividends paid, but the income(and so the retained earnings) of the parent company are increased. The dividend payment is self-cancelling. ” Is this a correct summary? Or is it wrong?

    September 29, 2014 at 2:26 pm #202157
    MikeLittle
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    “The dividend payment is self-cancelling.” could be misinterpreted.

    There is no intra-group dividend INCOME shown in the consolidated profit or loss (the dividend payment is not shown as an expense in the profit or loss – it’s shown as a deduction from retained earnings in the statement of changes in equity)

    So when the parent receives (or anticipates and accounts for) the parent’s share of the dividend from the subsidiary, the parent correctly credits it in its own profit or loss account as an income and debits cash (or receivables if it has not yet been actually received)

    But when we come to consolidate, because the parent consolidates the parent’s share of the subsidiary’s PROFIT AFTER TAX, that figure for profit is the source from which the subsidiary declares its dividend.

    Coming down the consolidated statement of profit or loss, we add together revenue, cost of sales, distribution costs, administrative expenses, finance costs, finance income (but not intra-group finance income), taxation and thus, with the exception of the intra-group finance income, we have added together the parent’s profit after tax with the subsidiary’s profit after tax …… and it’s from that subsidiary profit after tax that the parent is going to get its share of the subsidiary dividend

    Therefore, to include within the consolidated profit or loss account the intra-group dividend from the subsidiary will be to include that amount twice – once as finance income and again as part of the subsidiary profit after tax.

    And that’s why, on consolidation, we ignore that intra-group dividend

    Is that better?

    September 29, 2014 at 3:12 pm #202161
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    Yes that’s great. However, my above comment related to the statement of financial position and not the P&L. In the SOFP it is actually shown as part of the parent’s retained earnings so very sorry for confusing you as my major concern was with the SOFP
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    Thanks for everything. Got it now.

    September 29, 2014 at 3:32 pm #202168
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    Good – keep posting when you get stuck

    January 22, 2022 at 11:15 pm #647289
    shehwar123
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    Sir I too have a similar query and after reading all of your answers, I understand it as : “whether there is any Dividend paid by subsidiary to parent or not, it makes absolutely no difference in the consolidated Statement of Financial Position workings, We only cancel it when we are preparing the consolidated Statement of Profit and Loss”. Can you please confirm if this concept is correct ?

    Thanks in advance !

    January 23, 2022 at 5:05 pm #647335
    Stephen Widberg
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    Your understanding is perfect. No difference to the SFP workings.

    (Bear in mind that these kind of mechanical elements of consolidation are tested in FR as opposed to SBR).

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