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June 2011 Q1 (ii)

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  • May 28, 2016 at 12:59 pm #317721
    DreamerSK
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    have a question that was asked above but not answered.

    In (ii) Prodigal had included the profit as a reduction in depreciation. We need to increase COS by 800 000 but Prodigal have already reduced it by 1 000 000(due to the profit on transfer being included as a reduction to depreciation)

    Why aren’t we increasing COS by 1 800 000 to adjust for Prodigal’s reduction in depreciation?

    Additionally, Why are we reducing the retained earning of the seller by 800 000? Why isn’t the seller’s retained earning increasing after selling it for a profit?

    May 28, 2016 at 1:03 pm #317722
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    I think we need to eliminate the net affect of the transaction for consolidation. So we need to reduce the seller’s assets by 800 to match the buyer’s records for the purchase. We also need to reduce the seller’s retained earnings as the seller has already increased retained earning by 800.

    May 28, 2016 at 1:24 pm #317724
    MikeLittle
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    “Why are we reducing the retained earning of the seller by 800 000?” post from 12.59

    “We also need to reduce the seller’s retained earnings as the seller has already increased retained earning by 800.” post from 1.03

    Is this the same Dreamer SK?

    Because Prodigal has incorrectly dealt with the $1,000 gain on the transfer as a credit to the depreciation, we need reverse that bad entry by a debit to cost of sales and a credit to TNCA

    Then we need to deal with the depreciation adjustment related to that $1,000. the adjustment is for $200 and the correct treatment will be to debit cost of sales and credit TNCA by that $200

    Those adjustments to the cost of sales HAVE been corrected – at least they have in the copy of the answer that I have in front of me

    Is that OK now?

    June 1, 2016 at 8:01 am #318558
    DreamerSK
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    Yes, it is the same DreamerSK.

    “we need reverse that bad entry by a debit to cost of sales”
    “$200 and the correct treatment will be to debit cost of sales”

    The above statements would mean that we +1200 to COS. The answer to the exam says:

    Unrealised profit on sale of plant 1,000
    Depreciation adjustment on sale of plant (1,000/2½ years x 6/12) (200)

    June 1, 2016 at 8:23 am #318563
    MikeLittle
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    What was I thinking?

    The $1,000 that has been deducted from the depreciation expense needs to be added back into cost of sales and the $200 that has been added into depreciation in cost of sales needs to come out

    So the net effect is an $800 increase to cost of sales ($1,000 increase and $200 decrease)

    This $800 should now be credited into comprehensive income

    Is that better?

    June 1, 2016 at 8:32 am #318565
    DreamerSK
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    Unfortunately, I still don’t get it.

    What would the treatment be if Prodigal didn’t account for the item of plant. Would it still be a net effect of 800?

    Where does it say that 200 has been added to depreciation?

    June 1, 2016 at 9:55 am #318591
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    “Where does it say that 200 has been added to depreciation?”

    – Sentinel has recorded the acquisition of the plant and Sentinel will therefore have depreciated that plant based on a $5,000 purchase cost to Sentinel

    We can calculate that the depreciation on the profit element of the $5,000 is $200 for the half year since acquisition and that $200 has been charged to cost of sales

    OK with that bit?

    I’m not sure what you’re asking here “What would the treatment be if Prodigal didn’t account for the item of plant. Would it still be a net effect of 800?”

    I’m going to look at this problem from the perspective of a statement of financial position exercise and reconcile the figures to working W3 consolidated retained earnings (H’s own + H’s share of S post acq retained – goodwill impaired since acquisition (just our share))

    H’s own brought forward 90,000
    H’s own this year 89,900
    Less net pup on asset transfer (800)
    H’s own at year end 179,100

    S post acq 6/12 x 66,000 33,000
    Less pup on cl inventory ( 3,000)

    H’s share of S post acq
    75% x 30,000 22,500

    Cons Ret Ears 201,600

    That $1,000 wrongly credited in cost of sales requires a cosmetic adjustment to get it back out of cost of sales and credit it elsewhere in prodigal’s statement of profit or loss (profit on intra-group asset sale) which then needs to be eliminated in working W3 Consolidated Retained Earnings

    Prodigal will be showing (after taking it out of cost of sales) a credit in sundry gain on asset transfer and Sentinel has depreciated the $200 in cost of sales

    On consolidation, that $200 will be deducted from Cost of Sales, the $1,000 will be added back and the net figure $800 adjusted against Prodigal’s retained earnings

    Is that better?

    June 1, 2016 at 4:48 pm #318682
    DreamerSK
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    I think I get it now. Thanks for taking the time to explain.

    June 1, 2016 at 5:01 pm #318688
    MikeLittle
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    You’re welcome

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