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- June 14, 2010 at 4:12 pm #62762AnonymousInactive
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I did not have much trouble like you guys with Q5, i answered the last part stating that the manager could have unethically changed the figures for lateness so he hits bonus, and changed figures for member visits – to again trigger bonus… explained a bit as i wasnt sure why 5 marks was given!
I thought Q3 was the problem.. i started to calculate the optimal point with a simultaneous equation, and i kept getting W at 0 and L at 600.. which i was mythed about as W had higher contribution, but i continued to use through the scenario..
how else did people tackle Q3 a) ?
@ Ollie 78 – yes i agree with that bonus 6 x 400
June 14, 2010 at 4:15 pm #62763Q5 was a tad confusing but on the whole not bad at all. Hoping for 50%
3 down, 1 to go
June 14, 2010 at 4:15 pm #62764AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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@ollie78 said:
yea i got shadow price of 4 and 10 but struggled with the 200w bit for some reason, mind went blank! Q5 think it was something like number of members x 12 divided by number of visits. i got two at over and 2 under i think and bonus was 6 x 400 so $2400. anyone agree??? hope so!I got that total also i think. It was number of members x 60% x 12.
As for if it was controlable, i said it wasn’t as the manager couldn’t force his members to go to the gym once a week. Also if they had already paid their subscriptions and did attend once a week it would impact on his capacity which was going to get limited due to the growth.
June 14, 2010 at 4:19 pm #62765AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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generally one of the hardest fundamentall compared to the rest (excluding f9 that i have not sat).Nevertheless it was not impossible.Q3 was the trickiest of the lot. A lot of the narratives were somewhat vague.Fingers crossed.
June 14, 2010 at 4:19 pm #62766The paper was so straight forward and easy but i concentrated my study on the difficult part of the sylabus and was shocked to see the paper.
i hope i pass F5.but q5 was a bit tricky involve a lot of calculations..June 14, 2010 at 4:30 pm #62767AnonymousInactive- Topics: 16
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was a good paper hope to get a good result. I found q5 okay though this paper had a lotta writing to do. Hope everyone scores well all the best to everyone………..
June 14, 2010 at 4:32 pm #62768AnonymousInactive- Topics: 7
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guys, relax, it will be shame to fail 😛
June 14, 2010 at 4:37 pm #62769AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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@ollie78 said:
yea i got shadow price of 4 and 10 but struggled with the 200w bit for some reason, mind went blank! Q5 think it was something like number of members x 12 divided by number of visits. i got two at over and 2 under i think and bonus was 6 x 400 so $2400. anyone agree??? hope so!I agree with this!
I couldnt do shadow prices, mind went blank!
WIth the w=200 bit, i calculated a new feasible region and a new optimal point and solved it! Hope it was right!
June 14, 2010 at 4:41 pm #62770can someone send a details calculation for the shadow prices please???i am desperate to know the answer…………….
June 14, 2010 at 4:48 pm #62771Thanks OT not sure how I would cope without you
June 14, 2010 at 4:50 pm #62772Hi all,
The paper overall was OKish..
Question 2, I wasnt sure about which pricing strategies to mention that related to the building industry, so ended up mentioning penetration pricing for the GC and market skimming for the EX.
Also on ABC calculation, the difference on ABC overheads compared to the full cost was quite significant.
Question 3 let me down and also 13 marks to calculate variances, not sure if I’ve done enough.
Question 5 required some thinking time, but overall was OK.@4152marky said:
I got that total also i think. It was number of members x 60% x 12.As for if it was controlable, i said it wasn’t as the manager couldn’t force his members to go to the gym once a week. Also if they had already paid their subscriptions and did attend once a week it would impact on his capacity which was going to get limited due to the growth.
I’ve calculated members x 60% = x
Then number of visits / x
It gave me numbers between 11 and 13
June 14, 2010 at 4:59 pm #62773AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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@mussa1984 said:
Hi all,
The paper overall was OKish..
Question 2, I wasnt sure about which pricing strategies to mention that related to the building industry, so ended up mentioning penetration pricing for the GC and market skimming for the EX.
Also on ABC calculation, the difference on ABC overheads compared to the full cost was quite significant.
Question 3 let me down and also 13 marks to calculate variances, not sure if I’ve done enough.
Question 5 required some thinking time, but overall was OK.
I’ve calculated members x 60% = x
Then number of visits / x
It gave me numbers between 11 and 13The target was number of members x 60% x 12. I compared this to the number of visits per qtr.
The pricing strategies I used were complementery pricing, as you could sell a GC and EX together at disount, and penetration pricing to gather reputation and growth.June 14, 2010 at 5:11 pm #62774AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Before reading all these comments i was very happy and confident to secure v healthy marks in this paper as it really was easy but now i’ve seen that i made a few mistakes so i am only hoping for a pass now 🙁
as far as paper is concerned last night i was thinkin not to go for the exam cos i was sure i am gonna fail it but I went for it cos i am not a looser and surprisingly according to me paper was the easiest in the history of F5… Mr Geoff Rocks!!!June 14, 2010 at 5:11 pm #62775yea pricing strategies question-none really stood out i put complementary and skimming but neither really aplied to the building trade in that way but guess get some examples in and hope for some marks! also question on controlling the outcome q5 not that easy
June 14, 2010 at 5:27 pm #62776AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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not sure about anyone else, but I really couldn’t get into the study for F5 after fowling up on my expectations on F6. However, everything seemed fairly easy, and I don’t really care if I fail, obviously It would be better to pass first time, it looks better in an interview etc. What’s important is I can now enjoy my summer. Until December, enjoy.
June 14, 2010 at 5:36 pm #62777@ollie78 said:
yea i got shadow price of 4 and 10 but struggled with the 200w bit for some reason, mind went blank! Q5 think it was something like number of members x 12 divided by number of visits. i got two at over and 2 under i think and bonus was 6 x 400 so $2400. anyone agree??? hope so!yeah 2400 is correct 😀 same ans by me
June 14, 2010 at 5:39 pm #62778in question to i write that using low price material is not good but having di-skilled processes would be OK
can any body tell me how much i am correct?
June 14, 2010 at 5:49 pm #62779AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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@handsome said:
in question to i write that using low price material is not good but having di-skilled processes would be OK
can any body tell me how much i am correct?De-skilling the workforce “possibly” did more harm than good. The net variance was adverse which suggested that any savings on the rate variance were more than offset by the efficiency variance. Although it could be argued that with a learning curve this may be recovered.
All in all, on the face of it the paper was easier due to the lack of mathematical content. But it was still actually a difficult paper.Also it stated that sales had slumped and returns were up 20% which would suggest that quality i.e. long term profitiability had suffered,
June 14, 2010 at 5:49 pm #62780AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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paper was easy as from the previous past papers…overall it was ok i didnt solve simultaneous equation and thats y no commentx bout question 2.
June 14, 2010 at 5:52 pm #62781@handsome said:
in question to i write that using low price material is not good but having di-skilled processes would be OKcan any body tell me how much i am correct?
I share the same opinion, as labour efficiency was adverse due to additional time spent on wood supplied by new supplier.
Also I have mentioned that if the company would go back and use the old supplier, there would be some savings by using less skilled labourers.
June 14, 2010 at 6:02 pm #62782AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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@mussa1984 said:
I share the same opinion, as labour efficiency was adverse due to additional time spent on wood supplied by new supplier.Also I have mentioned that if the company would go back and use the old supplier, there would be some savings by using less skilled labourers.
@mussa1984 said:
I share the same opinion, as labour efficiency was adverse due to additional time spent on wood supplied by new supplier.Also I have mentioned that if the company would go back and use the old supplier, there would be some savings by using less skilled labourers.
I never thought about it like that, doh!!!!
I aslso said that he should have used the cheaper supplier to renegoiate with his existing supplier.
As said you could take this paper any way you want. There were a lot of questions that without further detail you could interpret it whatever way you want.
June 14, 2010 at 6:08 pm #62783I was happy enough with the the paper until I read all these comments.
I said the shadow price of tailors time was nil because there was slack – the line was outside the optimum.
I also go a really wierd shadow price for material.I go confuses with the idle time in the variance question and the different figures for production and sales.
Even the ABC question seems to have gone wrong as I stupidly sugested ways other than costs + instead of talking about skimming, penetration etc. How could I have done something so stupid.
Q5 is a blur as I was out of time and my writing was crazy.
Glad I looked at this – otherwise I would have spent the summer thinking I passed and would be bitterly disappointed in August.
Overall, it looked easy on the surface, but there were some curve balls.
June 14, 2010 at 6:08 pm #62784I think the paper was easy. Surprisingly my difficult question was #1. I got a bit confused with the cost drivers in section b. Question 5 was easy also question 3 was bat overall, I mess up with time management and needed another to complete the paper. Thanks open tutition
June 14, 2010 at 6:16 pm #62785overall the paper was easier than i expected. im not sure how i did on the written but my calculations werent too bad so hopefully i did enough.
thanks to OT i finally understood shadow prices when i watched the video (only 2 days ago) so i was quite happy when i saw that question. Q5 was the hardest. not sure how i’ll do. Thanks again OT team and good luck to everyone…
June 14, 2010 at 6:19 pm #62786Thats funny! I said the opposite. I said that the PM was acting for short term and individual gain and that he was putting in jeopardy the whole ethos of the company which stood for quality goods made in a traditional way, as proved by the other manager walking out.
@4152marky said:
I never thought about it like that, doh!!!!I aslso said that he should have used the cheaper supplier to renegoiate with his existing supplier.
As said you could take this paper any way you want. There were a lot of questions that without further detail you could interpret it whatever way you want.
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