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Investment

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  • This topic has 5 replies, 2 voices, and was last updated 8 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • April 19, 2017 at 2:06 pm #382638
    kengara
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    Hi Tutor, I have a question relating to Investment.

    Restoration cost is discounted at present value but cost of changes have not been discounted to present value.Respectively, the question shows that they have both incurred prior to on 1 october 2015.
    Why i only discounted restoration cost?
    COuld you pleaase explain it to me?
    Thanks in advance.

    Fundo entered into a 20 year operating lease for a property on 1 October 2002 which has a remaining life of 8 years at 1 october 2015.The rental pay is $2.3 million per annum. Prior to 1 october 2015, Fundo obtained permission from the owner of the property to make some internal changes to property so that it can be used for a new manufacturing process which Fundo is undertaking.The cost of these changes was $7 million and the were completed.(time taken to complete the changes can be taken as being negligible).A condition of being granted permission was that Fundo would have to restore the property to its original condition before handing back the property at the end of lease.The estimated restoration cost on 1 october 2015, discounted at 8% per annum to its present value is $15 million.

    prepare extracts from sftp of fundo year ended 30 september?

    under p/l
    operating lease rental-2300
    depreciation charge(7000+5000:8)-1500
    finance cost(5000*8)-400

    Under sftp
    fixed asset
    leased property(7000+5000)-12000
    Ad(1500)
    10500
    non-current liabilities
    5000+400 5400

    April 19, 2017 at 2:43 pm #382647
    MikeLittle
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    Are you sure that the present value of restoration is $15 million? Should it not be $5,000?

    “The estimated restoration cost on 1 october 2015, discounted at 8% per annum to its present value is $15 million”

    “a 20 year operating lease for a property on 1 October 2002”

    From 1 October, 2002 to 30 September, 2015 is 13 years so there is only 7 years life left in the lease. So depreciation of the changes should be over 7 years and not 8 … unless this is another typing error?

    “…but cost of changes have not been discounted to present value”

    You tell me that the cost of changes was $7 million and they were completed. What’s the present value today of $7 million spent today?

    How much money do you have in your pocket / purse today? What’s the value of that money today? Why would we be discounting that $7 million?

    OK?

    April 19, 2017 at 8:12 pm #382714
    kengara
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    Sorry mistankenly i wrote 15 million it is 5 million.I am sorry for this mistake

    April 19, 2017 at 9:05 pm #382732
    MikeLittle
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    It’s a bit awkward to try to answer questions when the question itself is wrong!

    What about the 7 year / 8 year issue?

    April 19, 2017 at 10:11 pm #382746
    kengara
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    I am sending it,if you wanna see question it has been taken from becker f7 question revision bank page number 95.

    Fundo entered into a 20 year operating lease for a property on 1 October 2002 which has a remaining life of 8 years at 1 october 2015.The rental pay is $2.3 million per annum. Prior to 1 october 2015, Fundo obtained permission from the owner of the property to make some internal changes to property so that it can be used for a new manufacturing process which Fundo is undertaking.The cost of these changes was $7 million and they were completed on 1 october 2015.(time taken to complete the changes can be taken as being negligible).A condition of being granted permission was that Fundo would have to restore the property to its original condition before handing back the property at the end of lease.The estimated restoration cost on 1 october 2015, discounted at 8% per annum to its present value is $5 million.

    prepare extracts from sftp of fundo year ended 30 september?

    under p/l
    operating lease rental-2300
    depreciation charge(7000+5000:8)-1500
    finance cost(5000*8)-400

    Under sftp
    fixed asset
    leased property(7000+5000)-12000
    Ad(1500)
    10500
    non-current liabilities
    5000+400 5400

    April 20, 2017 at 7:15 am #382767
    MikeLittle
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    Here’s the original question from December 2013 F7 examination

    You can see that Becker has the dates wrong – originally 2000 and 2012 with 8 years remaining but Becker’s version is 2002 and 2015 with 8 years remaining

    OK now?

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