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  • This topic has 14 replies, 3 voices, and was last updated 8 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • December 5, 2016 at 1:49 am #353872
    coop
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    Hello,

    Parket Co acquired 60% of Suket Co on 1 January 20X7. The following extract has been taken from the individual statements of profit or loss for the year ended 31 March 20X7:
    Parket Co Suket Co
    $’000 $’000
    Cost of sales 710 480
    Parket Co consistently made sales of $20,000 per month to Suket Co throughout the year. At the year end, Suket Co held $20,000 of this in inventory. Parket Co made a mark-up on cost of 25% on all sales to Suket Co.
    What is Parket Co’s consolidated cost of sales for the year ended 31 March 20X7?

    The answer:
    710,000 + (480,000 x 3/12) – (20,000 x 3) + (20,000 x 25/125) = $774,000

    why the amount of subsidiary purchases (20,000×3) not included first with the subsidiary cost of sales 480,000 before time apportionment .
    in other words it should have been ((480,000-(20,000×3))×3/12
    Isn’t the subsidiary purchases part of its cost sales ?

    December 5, 2016 at 7:20 am #353920
    MikeLittle
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    What makes you think that it’s NOT included?

    “Isn’t the subsidiary purchases part of its cost sales ?”

    Yes, cost of sales is an amalgam of opening inventory + purchases – closing inventory

    But there’s nothing in this question to suggest that the 12 months’ worth of sales to Suket have not been included in Suket’s cost of sales calculation

    OK?

    December 5, 2016 at 1:48 pm #353998
    coop
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    I mean that :
    (480,000 x 3/12) – (20,000 x 3)

    the above formula should have been :
    (480,000 – “20,000 × 3”) × 3/12

    why haven’t been that way?

    December 5, 2016 at 2:19 pm #354002
    coop
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    in other words : the amount of (“20,000 × 3”), why not multiplied by 3/12 the acquisition period of the financial year ?

    December 5, 2016 at 4:23 pm #354048
    MikeLittle
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    Does this answer it?

    “sales of $20,000 per month”

    December 5, 2016 at 5:15 pm #354124
    coop
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    The cost sales amount of $480,000 is including the purchases of $60,000
    therefore, we first eliminate the $60,000, and the remaining will multiplied by 3/12?
    what is the other viewpoint?

    December 5, 2016 at 6:37 pm #354244
    MikeLittle
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    Why eliminate the $60,000? That’s three months’ worth of sales / purchases intra-group. There was nine months’ worth before the acquisition so, in total, there is $240,000 sales to Suket within that revenue / cost of sales figure

    Why not simply do a time apportionment – 9 months pre and 3 months post?

    December 5, 2016 at 7:49 pm #354274
    coop
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    We consider only the post acquisition of 3 months, this what is related to the parent.
    As we need to do the time apportionment only for the joint part of 480,000, but the 60,000 is not joint part, so it will be eliminated first.
    So, we will take out the $60,000 from the $480,000
    and the remaining ($480,000-60,000) = $420,000 , then we will do the time apportionment : 420,000× 3/12 = $105,000

    Sorry, for prolongation

    December 5, 2016 at 8:53 pm #354302
    MikeLittle
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    Concentrate on this $480,000

    Of this amount, 12 x $20,000 represents sales to Suket = $240,000

    Time apportion the REMAINING $240,000 into $180,000 pre-acquisition and $60,000 post acquisition

    Now time apportion the sales to Suket into $180,000 pre-acquisition and $60,000 post-acquisition

    Ok, out of that $480,000 we now have 2 x $180,000 pre-acquisition and 2 x $60,000 post acquisition

    Now eliminate the post-acquisition intra-group sales of 3 x $20,000 = $60,000 to eliminate

    So where does that leave us?

    December 6, 2016 at 4:25 pm #354552
    coop
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    Hello Mike,
    At the exam today, the sales were from the subsidiary to the parent, and there was URP from inventory still kept by the parent.

    So, for the consolidated cost sales: we have to add the URP to the cost sales of the parent, then add the cost sales of the parent, and the sub cost sales time apportinate. ok?

    For the revenue, will the sales will be eliminated separate from the apportion time for the subsidiary revenue, or eliminated first to its revenue then the apportion time will done on the net ?
    thanks

    December 6, 2016 at 4:58 pm #354565
    MikeLittle
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    It depends upon whether the two entities traded together before the acquisition (as they did in the example that started this thread)

    Coop, ignore it. It’s gone! Why beat yourself up over something that you cannot change?

    It’s like fighting death … it will happen, no matter what you do or how many questions you ask. It will happen

    So let F7 exam be a thing of the past. Sleep well. Don’t worry about what you might have done differently – it’s too late

    December 6, 2016 at 5:32 pm #354624
    coop
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    Thank you, Mike

    December 7, 2016 at 5:23 am #354822
    MikeLittle
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    You’re welcome

    February 24, 2017 at 4:33 am #373954
    cukush
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    Hi. I can’t understand in this question why in answer 20000* 25/125?? What it represent??

    February 24, 2017 at 8:27 am #373977
    MikeLittle
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    Have you watched the F3 lectures by John or the F7 lectures by me that deal with mark-up and margin?

    Apparently not

    This line from the original post tells you the answer!

    “Parket Co made a mark-up on cost of 25% on all sales to Suket Co.”

    Check out the free course notes, particularly the top of page 49

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