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Interest on intra group loan

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  • This topic has 7 replies, 4 voices, and was last updated 8 years ago by MikeLittle.
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  • February 29, 2016 at 9:48 pm #302706
    abdulbasit16
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    Sir I have noticed in one question that there has been no adjustment for interest on intra group(Pyramid 06/2012) and in another there was(Pandar 12/2009).
    I’m just confused why is that? Although the adjustment will not affect totals but surely does affect group retained earnings.

    March 1, 2016 at 8:14 am #302753
    MikeLittle
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    The cancellation of intra-group interest is a cosmetic adjustment for the statement of profit or loss.

    When adding expenses and incomes across for the purposes of consolidating statements of profit or loss, it is “silly” to be showing as an expense some loan interest that will also be shown as an income

    So we cancel – but only for the purposes of presenting the statement of profit or loss, NOT for the purposes of arriving at Consolidated Retained Earnings for the statement of financial position

    March 1, 2016 at 8:39 am #302761
    abdulbasit16
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    Oh alright. Thank you.

    March 1, 2016 at 10:21 am #302778
    MikeLittle
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    You’re welcome

    March 2, 2016 at 11:51 am #303004
    luckey
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    Yr ended 30 nov 2007
    Retained profit of susan(subsidiary)=69000

    Susan earned a profit of 9000 in the year ended 30 Nov 2007.The loan note in Susan book represent monied borrowed from his parent company karl during the year. All of the loan note interest has been accounted for.

    In this case it doesnt say when it has given the loan in particular and says it has accounted for loan note interest. So should i assume that the profit figure has already incorporated those issue. Should i adjust the profit of post acquisition period or just time apportion 9000 to calculate retained profit for the date of acqusition?

    Much confused whenever there is a loan note part along with profit given and have to find out retained earning at acquisition date.
    Retained for the year means the net profit for the year. Is not it?

    March 2, 2016 at 7:04 pm #303092
    MikeLittle
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    Time apportion the 9,000 (if appropriate) after adding back the post-acquisition loan note interest

    Then deduct the loan note interest from the post acquisition profits

    Yes, “retained for the year” DOES mean the net profit for the year

    February 13, 2017 at 7:46 pm #372294
    sara
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    Hello Sir,
    Hope you are doing well.
    I am sorry for commenting on this old post but i have one question regarding this topic if you could help me with it i would really appreciate your help.

    Sir, the problem in kaplan book is that they didnt do the method like the way you have explained it by adding the interest loan in profit for the year and apportion it .then deducting the same interest from post acq profits

    I am so confused now. i did the same method the way you explained to us but the answer they gave is without taking into account for loan interest.they have simply pro -rate the profit for the year.

    here is the question and answer related to mid year acquisition and loan borrowed from Parent compan:-

    Parent comany Karl has acquired the susan subsidiary on 1st May 2007 and year end is 30 November 2007
    Non­current liabilities  8% Loan notes  for subsidiary is  20,000 which  represents monies borrowed from  Karl on 30 November 20X7.  
    Susan earned a profit of $9,000 in the year ended 30 November  20X7. 
    Retained earnings  for Subsidiary is 69,000 at 30 November 2007

    their answer is
    RE @ acq’n (balance)    63,750 
    Post acq profit (7/12 × 9,000)  5,250
    RE @ reporting date  69,000 

    and they have allocated 5250 to NCI and Group retained earning.

    Last thing they also have the impairment in the question for goodwill at the year end.
    I want to now that do we have to pro rate the impairment too or not ?

    Thanking you in advance.

    February 13, 2017 at 9:31 pm #372307
    MikeLittle
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    If the loan was only borrowed on 30 November, the last day of the year, then there is no interest expense in the year!

    Goodwill arises on the acquisition of Susan so the entire impairment is post-acquisition

    OK?

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