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- April 2, 2018 at 5:04 am #444457
Hi Will,
This is a straightforward question – OBU expects students to generate their own ratios. Getting ratios from annual reports or platforms like Bloomberg is severely frowned upon as it gives no evidence that students are competent in calculating ratios.
Hope this helps!
Irwin
The Learning LuminariumApril 2, 2018 at 4:54 pm #444553Hi @trephena and the OT mentors,
I am very close to summarizing my financial analysis but I need some help on my Ratios. I have calculated and thoroughly analysed the following ratios for Airbus :
1 – Sales Ratio ( analysed the sales/orders/deliveries )
2 – For Profitability : Operating Profit Margin Ratio
3 – For Liquidity : Current Ratio
4 – Debt-to-Equity Ratio
5 – Dividend Payout RatioI know there are more common ratios that I am not calculating such as :
P/E Ratio, Return on Equity , ROE , ROCE .
Please can you guide me if my ratio are sufficient ? Am i missing something ? Will they object that I didnt cover something. please can you help on this.
Thanks so much @trephena,
April 2, 2018 at 4:56 pm #444554Hi @trephena and the OT mentors,
I am very close to summarizing my financial analysis but I need some help on my Ratios. I have calculated and thoroughly analysed the following ratios for Airbus :
1 – Sales Ratio ( analysed the sales/orders/deliveries )
2 – For Profitability : Operating Profit Margin Ratio
3 – For Liquidity : Current Ratio
4 – Debt-to-Equity Ratio
5 – Dividend Payout RatioI know there are more common ratios that I am not calculating such as :
P/E Ratio, Return on Equity , ROE , ROCE .
Please can you guide me if my ratio are sufficient ? Am i missing something ? Will they object that I didnt cover something.@LearningLuminarium please can you help on this.
Thanks so much @trephena,
April 2, 2018 at 7:16 pm #444569Hi Irwin,
Many thanks for the reply.
However I fear I may have been unclear in the wording of my question.
After calculating any ratios that are also included in the annual reports, to what degree will I be expected to know the differences between the two. If I have calculated Roce at 3% and the annual reports states it as 5.5%, how detailed should my explanation be of the difference? Is it acceptable to ignore the difference (though this seems obviously wrong to me to do) and use my ratios? Or is it sufficient to merely quote the description of the calculation in the annual reports and then state that the numbers are not provided in enough detail in order to replicate them?
Many thanks in advance,
Regards
WillApril 4, 2018 at 10:12 am #444948Hi. I’ve searched on prior forums but I could not get any info.
What is the minimum number of ratios that are needed and which ones are essential?
Kind regards
Akani
April 4, 2018 at 9:00 pm #445045AnonymousInactive- Topics: 0
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Thank you very much for getting back to me.
Option 1 seems more straightforward and easier to achieve however I have a few further questions.
I forgot to mention that I could use the 2013 annual report which was prepared for a full 52 weeks ending 30 April 2013/12.This will enable me to compare full year results for both periods .However this was prepared under a different basis of accounting from the 2014 financials(which used purchase accounting) but I could explain this as a limitation.
About the ratios , you seem to think they wont be affected by the period lengths however when I calculated asset turnover for 2012-2013 using sales of 34 weeks(restated 2014 report) and sales of 52 weeks( 2013 report) I got significantly different results.
Finally in your last post you mentioned that the premerger financial analysis should only set the scene. Does this mean I shouldn’t do all the ratios for the premerger or they shouldn’t be too detailed? What ratios do you suggest I do for this topic.
Thank you very much for all the help you give to people like me.
April 7, 2018 at 8:45 pm #445531Hi,
Just wanted to know if harvard style referencing extending to citing the appendices? Is there a standardised way to reference/label my own graphs and tables in the appendices from the main text? Specifically, labeling appendix does it have to be appx 1 2 3 or appx A B C or can I just label however I wish (like 1a 1b 1c) and will it be frowned upon if the appendix is not completely consecutive and/or missing numbers/letters in the sequence.
Thanks for all your help,
WillApril 8, 2018 at 9:13 am #445609Provided you have done and used some of your own calculations it is fine to go with your suggestion “is it sufficient to merely quote the description of the calculation in the annual reports and then state that the numbers are not provided in enough detail in order to replicate them?”.
State the issues you have found in your limitations and where you discuss the particular ratio concerned
April 8, 2018 at 9:24 am #445616That’s because there is NO prescribed number of ratios.
With Topix 8 it is a matter of doing a good business analysis and demonstrating adequate use of appropriate ratios in the financial analysis. Normally GP, NP/ operating profit, and relevant ratios on liquidity, gearing and several investor ratios + KPIs.
Linkage between the factors from the models in the discussions of the ratios I.e. how strengths and specific aspects from the PESTLE have influenced management decisions and impacted on performance and financial results is what is required for a pass grade
April 8, 2018 at 9:34 am #445620Just refer the reader to the appropriate appendix ( Appendix 5)
The important consideration with labelling is whether someone can follow your work. Probably a number followed by title is most clear in this regard e.g. 1. Balance Sheet XYZ; 4. Income Stmt ABC. You.might co.sided having the ratio calculations on a separate tab e.g. 5. Ratios XYZ
April 8, 2018 at 9:37 am #445621Thank you
April 8, 2018 at 8:15 pm #445691Hi Trephena et al,
Many thanks, for this and the continued support from all at OT, I would be truly lost without your constant input!April 9, 2018 at 7:08 pm #445840Hello Trephena, would it be advisable to use only one model in the external analysis part?
The structure of my report I’m picturing is:
1. PESTEL analysis
2. Ratio analysis
3. SW in “SWOT” and TOWS matrix
4. Recommendation
5. ConclusionI find that PESTEL is already sufficient to cover every threats and opportunities and so to use SW and TOWS after my ratio analysis, I could avoid repeating what I have covered in PESTEL and also explain the strengths and weaknesses better through the “events” mentioned in the ratio analysis part. It would also blend well with the recommendation part that comes next.
But is this recommended? I could use a different model such as five forces but there’s already so much to write under PESTEL and I may end up with two unelaborated models.
Looking forward to your reply, thanks 🙂
April 9, 2018 at 11:02 pm #445862With Topic 8 it is important to integrate the business and financial analyses. In order to do this adequately you need to look at the strategic decisions taken by the management (outlined in the CEO and directors reports) and reflected in the performance as revealed by the financial statements.
You therefore need to appreciate the importance of the application of the models and the role this plays in your evaluation and analysis (Part 3). The SWOT could be quite important in this respect. The ratio analysis is not done in isolation, rather it Is a tool to enable you to comment on financial performance. However you are expected to explain the trends not just make obvious statements about increases and decreases and how one company has outperformed the other. Part of the explanations will revolve around how manag)ement taking advantage of PEST factors have built on strengths, overcome weaknesses and made the best of opportunities.
You seem to be adopting part of the above approach but if in doubt I have tried to explain this in my article on Evaluation and Analysis on our homepage http://www.opentuition.com/obu
Remember by using clear graphs you don’t need to then repeat what the graph shows – this just wastes,words and becomes tedious. Focus only on drawing attention to what is significant. Bring in KPIs relevant to the industry if possible.
April 23, 2018 at 9:50 am #448514Hi trephena and OT team,
Please may I ask a question regarding the organization of my information. I read at some page, that one must first mention the Business-Analysis first . However, I did the financial first . Would that be a really big problem?
Thanks so much
April 25, 2018 at 10:39 am #448773Depends! The thing is, the business and financial analyses are connected and what connects them is strategic decisions that impact on performance.
Management strategic decisions are based on the business environment and therefore logically the analysis and application of models influences everything e.g. building on strengths and utilising advantageous factors.
Doing the models first is therefore likely to lead to a much better financial analysis as you would be aware of influences and strategies that impacted the company. Doing a financial analysis without having done this is likely to lead to very shallow and generalised comments.
Whilst OBU does not prescribe doing models first so no what you have done is not wrong, it just is unlikely to lead to a good overall analysis. Markers expect to see links between the two as after all financial results are normally the consequence of strategic decisions. Doing the models as a total separate exercise after the financial analysis is therefore not a very good idea….
April 26, 2018 at 5:11 pm #448985Hi,
I would like to ask the topic 8 title is “An analysis and evaluation of business and financial performance…”
What is business performance? How can I write about business performance? How is business performance a separate matter from financial performance?Please help me clarify the confusion.
April 27, 2018 at 4:04 pm #449104Hi Trephena,
I hope you are well and can assist me in clarifying few issues regarding ratio analysis.
1) ROCE – I’ve included commercial aircraft divisions PBIT which is provided in the segment reporting and the consolidated balance sheet figures for Capital employed (TA – CL). However, I feel this somewhat skews the figures and not a true ratio. Is this acceptable?
As the segement report also contains the total assets fig for commercial aircraft, would it be better to include this figure minus CL. CL fig for commercial aircraft would be taken as a % from the group CL fig. For e.g. aircraft divisions revenue makes up 70% of the total revenue. 70% of CL would be apportioned as aircraft divisions CL. Also, apply the same principle throughout other ratios where only consolidated figures are available.
Can you please advise?
2) For LT Debt figures, total non-current liabilities from the consolidated balance sheet has been used which includes provisions, deferred tax and income. Is this ok? or is better to try and extract the LT debt portion from these figures which can be quite tricky and complicated?
I am just aware that these my workings isn’t consistent enough to form a valid analysis. However, I’ve mentioned these issues on the paper and explained my workings.
Your advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
NashApril 29, 2018 at 8:05 am #4492591. I don’t think you can make assumptions that “CL fig for commercial aircraft would be taken as a % from the group CL fig. For e.g. aircraft divisions revenue makes up 70% of the total revenue. 70% of CL would be apportioned as aircraft divisions CL. Also, apply the same principle throughout other ratios where only consolidated figures are available”. It doesn’t always work like that -different divisions of a business may have different cash cycles. I think you are better off looking at group figures for these figures and comparing group assets and group liabilities and stating any limitations
2. You need to go with like for like with your main company and the comparator and use the same basis for both. Personally I prefer to use the actual long term debt figures (normally there is a breakdown of the long term liabilities in a note to the accounts to enable you to do this. (Provisions can distort the position and so can different tax rules and payment dates if you leave these in)
April 29, 2018 at 8:14 am #449260Business analysis is about application of models and looking at the overall direction and strategies of the company e.g. how revenue and market share have increased or acquisitions of other companies etc..
Business and financial performance are connected as the decisions of the management (found in the CEO and directors reports) impact on financial results.
May 1, 2018 at 4:54 am #449588Thanks trephena !
May 3, 2018 at 4:34 pm #449973Great, thank you for your advice. I’ll include the group figures for those as suggested. Should I also do this for PBIT figures or using the PBIT for the commercial aircraft division is ok?
May 3, 2018 at 7:37 pm #449989Hi Everyone, I submitted a project on Topic 8 last May, and was not successful, the reason for my failure was insufficient reasons of why the Ratios improved/ deteriorate. I am now planning to resubmit and have the following questions:
1. I am choosing the Airline industry( I am allowed to use the same topic previously
submitted)- I am unable to find sufficient external sources of information to support my
points, however, I am able to extract from the annual report the reasons for the changes
in my ratios, is this an accepted source or does it need to be external only?
2. How much information do I need to include for example if I say that ” Inventory increased
by 10%, the reason for this is because the company added 4 new aircraft to its fleet compared to PY” and I quote the annual report page. Is this the way to explain changes in each ratio?
3. Is it okay to comment on only the major changes? Following from my example in number 2 above, if Inventory is made of Fuel and spares, and fuel increased by 15% compared to spares which only increased by 2%, would commenting on Fuel alone be acceptable?Please let me know what u think.
Many thanks in advance,
Kapil
May 3, 2018 at 9:01 pm #449995The best models for this topic are SWOT and PEST and as I have said dozens of times on this forum you need to show linkages between these and the financial results. To do this look at the CEO /chairman /directors reports in the annual reports and read the comments and strategies.
Start the analysis with the application of models and that way you should be aware of how some of the factors from the models (business environment) have influenced management decisions and impacted on the financial results.
This should then make it easier for you to comment reliably on the figures and trends that you see. No you do not need to comment on each and every change – it is important trends and significant changes that you should explain
I wouldn’t have thought that the purchase of 4 new aircraft would affect inventory directly- surely these are capital expenditure? However it might affect spares etc and this might rise considerably more if they have purchase aircraft of a new type as they might need different parts and more spares would probably be needed to cover the number of aircraft and this would increase inventory – is this what you meant?
May 3, 2018 at 9:07 pm #449996Hi Trephena, thank you for responding.
I totally got the point you made in the last paragraph, essentially yes that is what I meant, that if a company buys more Aircraft they would require to stock inventory in the form of Fuel.
RE the source of information, is the annual report along with a few external source sufficient?
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