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- May 30, 2014 at 12:48 pm #171901
Hi Sir,
For impairment of CGU, should I use Total asset or Total equity as FV of net asset?
DEC11 – use total equity (879)
DEC12 – use total asset (1,130)Thanks
May 31, 2014 at 10:42 pm #172232You have the answer in your question
For impairment of CGU, should I use Total asset or Total equity as FV of NET ASSET?
What is Total Equity
Total Equity = Total Assets – Total Liabilities= NET ASSETS
so in essence Equity=net assets
You did not provided the question extract here but in most of the questions of groups you can see impairment is calculated by using this method and fair value of net assets is calculated somewhat like that
Share Capital
Share Premium
Other Components of Equity
Fair value of adjustment (if any)=fair value of net assets.
June 1, 2014 at 1:37 am #172238Hi,
Extract as below
Dec11
Goodwill” 60
FV adj: 10
Recoverable: 1099
Total equity: 1079
Total equity + liability: 1601
Impairment:60+10+1079-1099=50Dec12
Goodwill: 23
FV adj: 36
Recoverable : 604
Total equity: 364
Total equity + liability: 595
Impairment:23+595+36-604=50Appreciate your reply
June 1, 2014 at 5:48 am #172249Thank you for the extracts
Impairment occurs when the recoverable value of the asset falls below the carrying value.
When calculating goodwill impairment in a sub we will look at the carrying value of the sub and compare it with the recoverable value to calculate the impairment.
and what does the subsidiary carries as its carrying value?
the answer is the net assets and goodwillCarrying Value of the sub=total net assets before impairment + Goodwill before impairment
Impairment (BALANCING FIGURE)
Recoverable Value
For your December 2011 extracts
Carrying value of the sub = [1089+60] (net assets at year end just before impair+gw)
Impairment (balance)=50
Recoverable value=1099So
Goodwill at acquisition =60
Impairment (50)
Goodwill at year end 10For your December 12 extracts
Carrying value of Heeny [631 + 23]=654
Impairment (balance)=50
Recoverable value = 604Goodwill at acq = 23
Impairment (50) [of which 27 relates to intangibles goodwill can never be negative]June 1, 2014 at 6:11 am #172250Can I know why are we not using 364 for heeny?
Is it the 2 set of recoverable amount at different time, Dec 12 at year end so we use 595 while Dec 11 right after acquisition so we use1079?June 1, 2014 at 10:56 pm #172491For December 2011:
Carrying value is quite literal
What two things do we carry as regards the subsidiary we carry net assets and we carry goodwill.
Now what was the goodwill at acquisition 12 months ago [60 for dec 11 question]
at the year end 12 months later before the impairment what is it still now = 60 before the impairmentwhat about the net assets, at the point in time when we are doing the impairment review as always we are doing the impairment review at the year end so how bigger the net assets in this entity at that year end are 1089.
Carrying Value [1089+60]
Impairment 50
Recoverable value =1099That is the kind of logic that you should be looking.
However regarding your question from december 2012, it looks like it has something to do with the last sentence of point 2 in December 2012.
[Both Bower and Heeny were impairment tested at 30 November 2012. The recoverable amounts of both cash
generating units as stated in the individual financial statements at 30 November 2012 were Bower,
$1,425 million, and Heeny, $604 million, respectively. The directors of Minny felt that any impairment of assets
was due to the poor performance of the intangible assets. The recoverable amount has been determined without
consideration of liabilities which all relate to the financing of operations.]What does it mean by: The recoverable amount has been determined without
consideration of liabilities which all relate to the financing of operationsto me it looks like the recoverable amount only includes assets and needs to be compared with assets and not nets assets. But I will look for its more clear answer and comeback to you.
June 3, 2014 at 6:29 pm #173362After asking from tutors and reading articles all I can say is that here the recoverable amount is the recoverable amount of the assets only, not the net assets (ie assets-liabilities). That’s why you compare this recoverable amount to the assets + goodwill, not net assets + goodwill.
Otherwise you could deduct the liabilities from the recoverable amount and compare this new amount to net assets + goodwill this will give you the same answer.
I looked at an article from deloitte and it says:
”Allocating assets and liabilities to CGUs:
The allocation of assets and liabilities to a CGU, so as to establish the carrying amount of the CGU, should be determined on a basis consistent with the way the recoverable amount
of the CGU is determined (IAS 36: 75).”To me it looks like:
When it says in the question that ”The recoverable amount has been determined without consideration of liabilities which all relate to the financing of operations”
So we should also determine the carrying amount without consideration of liabilities which all related to the financing of operation in order to be consistent with the way the recoverable amount is determined.
June 4, 2014 at 9:31 am #173555Thanks dear, you’re very helpful. Very clear and precise, I understand finally
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