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Ias 10 event after reporting date

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  • January 16, 2016 at 11:58 am #294698
    ammardar
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    Sir, I had watched ur lecture on Ias 10 and i had a question abt it.

    Now you always tell that in order to decide whether an event is adjusting or non adjusting one, we must ask ourself

    ” what would we do if we knew about this event at Reporting date, that this event is going to take place in near future, do we change our accounts or not at year end for this event”

    Now i have a question that we have made a Provision in our account with reapect to legal matter and court gives its decision after reporting date, now accounting to this rule how can we solve it ?

    January 16, 2016 at 3:10 pm #294719
    John Moffat
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    Provided that the court gave its decision before the accounts became final, then you would change (adjust) the accounts and either remove the provision completely or change it into an accrual (depending on what the decision was).

    January 17, 2016 at 12:36 am #294787
    ammardar
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    Ok i got that, but i wana know one more thing, lets suppose fire take place after year end.

    Now according to your rule must think that would we change accounts at year end , if we know at year end that fire will take place later ?

    The answer is no because at year end date factory was exisiting so we must no change the accounts, fair enough.

    Now, i wana put an other example here

    Lets suppose we have provision for damages in our year end accounts, and court gives decision after reporting period that we are not suppose to pay any money

    Now, according to your rule we must think that will we change our accounts at year end, if we knew at year end that we wont be required to pay money later

    According to book ans is yes, but i wana know why would we change our account at year end, why would we end provision at year end given the fact that court make the decision after year end, why would we end provision at year end ?

    Now in factory example you said that factory was not set up on fire at year end thats why we didnt adjust it, fair enough
    But here, in example 2 court decision also came after the year and, not at year end than why are we adjuting it into accounts? Isnt it Contradiction in rule?

    Thanks for ur precious time

    January 17, 2016 at 8:23 am #294841
    John Moffat
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    There is no contradiction.

    In the case of the fire, the building did exist at the year end and must therefore appear in the accounts (but we would have a note explaining that the building had been destroyed later). Even if we had known at the year end that there was going to be a fire later, the fact remains that the building did exist at the year end.

    In the case of the provision, it was only there because we thought we might have to pay money but did not know for sure. If we had known at the year end that the court would decide we did not know anything, then we would not show anything as owing.

    January 17, 2016 at 8:23 am #294842
    John Moffat
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    There is no contradiction.

    In the case of the fire, the building did exist at the year end and must therefore appear in the accounts (but we would have a note explaining that the building had been destroyed later). Even if we had known at the year end that there was going to be a fire later, the fact remains that the building did exist at the year end.

    In the case of the provision, it was only there because we thought we might have to pay money but did not know for sure. If we had known at the year end that the court would decide we did not know anything, then we would not show anything as owing.

    January 17, 2016 at 5:01 pm #294930
    ammardar
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    Ok thanks so much, i guess i dont mix up things which leads to confusion 🙂

    January 17, 2016 at 6:13 pm #294971
    ammardar
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    Ok, i wana ask a last questiom from you to end up this topic, by the way thanks for ur patience 🙂

    Lets suppose we havent made provision at year end, and after reporting period we got to know that we have lost case and are suppose to pay money

    Now, if we knew at reportinng date that we are suppose to pay the amount afterwards, then we would have made the liablity in our accounts, so for that reason it should be adjusting event, as per ur answer above and ur lecture, am i right ?

    January 18, 2016 at 7:21 am #295524
    John Moffat
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    Yes – you are right 🙂

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